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mudd turtle

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I have 3 strikers that have been in my kit for several years and they are not throwing sparks like the used to. can these strikers be re done to make them spark like they used to.If not where can I buy several quality -fancy strikers to replace what I have? mudd turtle. :confused:
 
It should be possible to get them to spark again. You can heat them to orange-red, to a non magnetic state, and quick quench them. That will reharden them. BUT! It also makes them brittle. There are several knife makers on the forum who would be the best people to tell you how to do the heat treating much (MUCH!) better than I could.

I've made several of my own from high carbon steel, heated to orange-red and quenched in cold water, and I have had good luck, but I have snapped one also, so you'd be best to get more detailed instructions from someone with more experience. But it should be possible.
 
Has the striking surface of your fire steels been worn away more than 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch in use? Probably not. A common practice when some people heat-treat their strikers is to only quench a little bit of the striker surface. They hold the striker in their water/oil about half way in. This only hardens around 1/4 to 1/2 of an inch into the steel - leaving the back half and rest of the striker soft and less brittle. Once you wear through that hardened part of the striker, you are then into softer steel that is very hard to get sparks from.

But, I suspect that your strikers were CASE HARDENED. They were probably made from low carbon steel, and then the outside surface had carbon added through one of the many case-hardening processes. But this only puts lots of carbon into the very thin outside layer of the steel. That thin layer ends up being only a few thousandths of an inch thick. It doesn't take too much use to wear through it.

A few years ago, a major vendor ended up with a batch of case-hardened strikers. They wore out fairly quickly. I never heard how they corrected the customer problem it created. I only heard from several of those disgruntled customers.

If your strikers were case-hardened, then there is little that can be done to ... rescue them. If they were only hardened on a little bit of the striking surface, then there is a possibility that they could be re-hardened. That is, of course, if they are made from all high carbon steel.

Brittleness is always a problem when you heat-treat high carbon steel. To make a good striker, you need it as hard as you can get it. But that also usually makes it as brittle as it can be. It becomes a bit of a delicate balancing act to get it hard enough to make a good striker, and not being too brittle.

The best "tip" I ever received to help with this came from a knife maker. His "tip" was to thermal cycle the striker after you are done forging it to shape but before your final quench. You heat it up to that non-magnetic point, and then pull it out of the heat and let it air cool until you don't see any color. Then heat up and air cool two more times. Then heat to non-magnetic and quench. This Thermal Cycling removes any internal stress in the metal from the forging process. It also then refines the grain size of the metal molecules - making them smaller, finer, and more even. All this adds up to a less brittle striker that can be heat-treated harder. And the harder it is, the better it sparks.

Of course, you have to start with steel that has a high enough carbon content to begin with. I prefer to work with new steel - avoiding dealing with unknown metal alloys and any cracks/stresses in the steel's past history.

I generally use 1095 carbon steel. I thermal cycle after I finish forging to shape. And I then quench the striker completely in water, swirling it around in the water as it cools. If I have forged out some thin parts on the striker handle, I sometimes then will selective heat back up those thin parts to soften them up and make them less brittle.

In the end, it becomes a matter of personal time and energy whether you try to re-heat-treat your striker, or find a new one. Some people want to do it themselves, and enjoy the challenge of making it work. Every now and then, I have one that will not spark well. I usually will try to heat-treat it one more time. If it still doesn't spark well, it goes in my "scrap" pile or on a "display" board. It isn't worth my time to spend any more time on it, and the final results might still be questionable.

Just my humble thoughts to share. Take them as such.

Mikey - yee ol' grumpy German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
Mudd Turtle,
Thought of two options when read your post. Product called "Kasenit" is easy to use and will put a really hard, but thin surface on your striker. (Brownells and Midway both sell it). Not a deep layer, but easy to repeat if needed.

You could also reheat to critical, quince in oil or water. Polish one side..inch or so. Take a length of copper or iron heated red hot and apply to >>BACK SIDE of striker, and watch for a color change from shiney bright to light straw to a darker straw color. Remove the heat source (copper really works best) and the color will progress toward a blue.
This has softened the back, while leaving the face hard and brittle.
Good luck!
Jim
 
mudd turtle :

the best thing you could do for those old fire steels is to toss them and order a couple of new one from the best fire steel maker I know , and you may know him as well the thats the fella that answered you original post and thats Mike Ameling . I've several steels from mike and I can only speak highly for his products, and a great guy to deal with ... do yourself a favor and check out his web site ..... you won't regret this !!
 
Mudd Turtle: if your steels aren't sparking because you have gouged the faces of them with repeated blows from your flint, then it most probable that you have firesteels made from low carbon steels, that were only case hardened. Its cheaper to throw them away than mess with them. If you already have a forge, and you want to use your own free time to mess with them, Then try re hardening using Kasenit. It does work. If you leave the steel " COOK " in the carbon for an hour or so, the carbon will actually get down further into the surface of the steel and the face will give you service longer. But, when it comes down to it, its still a low carbon steel, and its never going to last like one made of high carbon steel.

Contact Mike privately and arrange to buy one from him. He really is the expert on this tool. If you seach his name for past posts,I believe you will find a picture he posted of all the various styles of flint strikers( fire steels) he makes and has made to replicate those used over the past 2000 years or more.
 
I would also recommend Mike Ameling, but the fist thing to do, is try and reharden. I just re-did two really fancy strikers for a buddy Sunday. They were coiled snakes, comfortable to use, nice to look at, but very little spark. I suspect the well known maker did not get them hard enough to start with, or tried to temper them. In my experience, which is not that much with strikers, I have found what Mike said. Thermo cyle, then harden, and go with it. The rattlesnakes now strike very well. Pun intended!
 
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