Stuck jag in CVA mountain rifle

[richard123]

I came across a .54 cal. percussion CVA mountain rifle at a local gun shop which appeared to be in very good condition for $70. The catch; a brass jag was stuck 3/4 down the barrel by the previous owner. The jag is stuck so tight, it won't move up or down the bore. I tried a Co2 discharger and it didn't work. The breech plug cannot be removed- nor is it supposed to be. Now the barrel sits, muzzle-end up, with apple cider vinegar in the bore filled to the brim. If this doesn't work, does anyone have any suggestions. The rifle itself would make a great wall hanger (especially for $70) but I'd like to get it in shooting condition.

 

[coloradoclyde]

Vinegar? that's acid. I would have used Kanno Kroil.
Think I would try the grease gun trick.

 

[Melnic]

GREASE GUN, if you have one already. The grease fitting was cheap. and If its CVA my guess is its a 6x1mm thread?

My grease gun stuck ball story:
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...287423/post/1378453/hl//fromsearch/1/#1378453

 

[necchi]

GREASE GUN,

Yeah man! :thumbsup:

 

[bpd303]

I would try a zert (grease) fitting to replace the nipple, then use a hand pump grease gun to try and push the jag out if the threaded portion of the jag is broken off. If the threaded shaft is there, Can you screw a range rod on and use a mallet to tap it down to break it loose?

I had one that the threads were broken off and was able to drill it and screw a slide hammer into it and work it out by gently using the slide to tap it out.

I'm a slow typist but think the Kroil & grease will work.

 

[Ken Cormier]

Grease no problem

 

[Rifleman1776]

Get rid of the acid vinegar. Bad idea. :nono:
I'm sure the jag can be pushed down. Soak with some kind of light oil and using a brass rod pound it almost all the way down. Put a light charge of bp into the flash channel, seat jag completely, and shoot out. The grease/zerk thing will work but is messy.

 

[nwtradegun]

send the barrel to bobby hoyt at Freischutz Shop, 700 Fairfield Station Rd., Fairfield, Pa. 17320
. His phone # 717-642-6696 he can fix you up. he is a barrel magician

 

[richard123]

I appreciate all of the replies. I figured that the acid from the vinegar may help deteriorate the patch that I believe is keeping the brass jag lodged so tightly to the bore. I heard that the vinegar will also eat away at the accumulated rust in the bore without actually hurting the bore itself. Again, thanks for the replies.

 

[Sure Shot 2]

I'd try and move it out of its current spot before doing anything drastic. Try moving the jag down towards the barrels breech. That alone will help loosen it for removal. CO-2 discharger cylinders just don't half enough compressed air to clear things half way up the barrel that are stuck good & tight. Jag pushed down to the breech. Your CO-2 discharger it just might work then. If it rises some but sticks again. Push the stuck jag again into the breech area. Then Rifleman1776 has the next best home remedy for its quick removal. (Small Powder charge dribbled into into its flash channel) If you have a little 4-FFFG handy that would be excellent or you could chop up some 2-3-FFFg into smaller pieces for the flash channel purpose also.

 

[necchi]

I heard that the vinegar will also eat away at the accumulated rust in the bore without actually hurting the bore itself.

I don't know where you heard that, but it's terribly wrong friend.
All of the metal in your bore is being eaten away as we post.

 

[bpd303]

What you need is some lubrication and if the bore is rusted try & remove as much as you can. The Kroil will soak through the patch & help remove rust while lubricating. You can also make a good penetrating oil out of equal amounts of transmission fluid & acetone (shake it up good). Chore Boy wrapped around an undersize brush, along with the penetrating oil, will go a long way for removing rust.

 

[tom deinek]

Please advise us of your results. Good luck.

 

[Alden]

. (Small Powder charge dribbled into into its flash channel) If you have a little 4-FFFG handy that would be excellent...

Bing-o.

 

[newtewsmoke]

Put a light charge of bp into the flash channel, seat jag completely, and shoot out.
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mabe there is a full charge down there already????

 

[azmntman]

GOOD point! :hmm:

 

[necchi]

Put a light charge of bp into the flash channel, seat jag completely, and shoot out.

mabe there is a full charge down there already????

And the charge may not be BP or a sub, one cannot assume the proper powder is in the barrel with an unknown ownership of a used gun.
Besides, in this case the blockage is midway in the barrel and will not move down,,
You can't or shouldn't try to shoot out a blockage that's not seated on or near where it should be,, by the breech.

 

[Melnic]

Next time I have to use the grease gun, I'm going to load it with $1 store hand cream as originally suggested in my stuck ball situation.

 

[ray j.]

I use a rubber tipped blow nozzle and my air compressor which develops 130 psi and plenty of volume..

 

[Sure Shot 2]

I've done that myself. 5-HP two stage here. But not everyone has a air compressor to blow out a barrel with. I really think if the OP can get that obstruction down to its breech. He's got a very good odds it will blow out with a CO-2 discharger. In this situation how handy a Ledger Mark would be.