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Survival Question for Maxiball (or anyone else)
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I think the original reply was to my mention of survival, and I was refering to going out in period gear and with a ML and hunting and reflecting and appreciating the experience when one considers that at one time this was the mode of survival,one cannot help but admire those who came before us for induring with what we consider primitive and inefficient at best.
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Yes tg, I know what you were talking about. Are you beginning to see the dichotomy here in world views?
I think in TACTICAL terms, you think in nostalgia and romance of the past.Most combat soldiers are not in combat for 22 years. I was. We would deal with a starving abused child and 20 minutes later be fighting for our lives in a bar fight, then after that, direct traffic ( most dangerous job in police work! :crackup: :crackup
, then investigate a rape and on and on.
So you see my world view is different, not wrong, but because of my background I think differently than many people.
When someone mentions survival I think worse case, you think nostalgia, the romance of the past. As I said, there is nothing wrong with that either.
But....when you get right down to it, would you REALLY want to live without today's medicine, technology, comforts?
Life was very, very hard back then.
Still I appreciate what you mean and how you think. Most of you guys come from more normal environments.
I come from an environment where violence, hatred, contempt, bigotry, lawlessness IS normal. :youcrazy: :youcrazy:
Stumpkiller: I read with great interest your story of surviving the storm at sea. You were just as afraid as the others, but you couldn't show it. Awesome responsibility to control your emotions because you MUST. Others depend on you.
Been there done that.
Claude. In YOUR world you would make jerky from the deer. In MY world I'd cut what I could carry from the critter and beat feet it outa there before the bad guys found me.
Strangly enough the aweful two decades of nasty I lived through gave me a deep and abiding faith in a God of my understanding and a level of appreciation for life and respect of others that most people never have. :thumbsup:
I think in TACTICAL terms, you think in nostalgia and romance of the past.Most combat soldiers are not in combat for 22 years. I was. We would deal with a starving abused child and 20 minutes later be fighting for our lives in a bar fight, then after that, direct traffic ( most dangerous job in police work! :crackup: :crackup
, then investigate a rape and on and on.So you see my world view is different, not wrong, but because of my background I think differently than many people.
When someone mentions survival I think worse case, you think nostalgia, the romance of the past. As I said, there is nothing wrong with that either.
But....when you get right down to it, would you REALLY want to live without today's medicine, technology, comforts?
Life was very, very hard back then.
Still I appreciate what you mean and how you think. Most of you guys come from more normal environments.
I come from an environment where violence, hatred, contempt, bigotry, lawlessness IS normal. :youcrazy: :youcrazy:
Stumpkiller: I read with great interest your story of surviving the storm at sea. You were just as afraid as the others, but you couldn't show it. Awesome responsibility to control your emotions because you MUST. Others depend on you.
Been there done that.
Claude. In YOUR world you would make jerky from the deer. In MY world I'd cut what I could carry from the critter and beat feet it outa there before the bad guys found me.
Strangly enough the aweful two decades of nasty I lived through gave me a deep and abiding faith in a God of my understanding and a level of appreciation for life and respect of others that most people never have. :thumbsup:
I guess it all depends on how much time we each think we have in this hypothetical scenario we are fantasizing about. :winking:
I pictured myself with the deer, deep in the forest, where your bad guys wouldn't find me. I guess if it shot it in town, I'd cut off what I could and join you running down the street. :crackup:
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I think this topic is WAY gone,,,,,,????
What are you guys talkin about anywys? Y2K?? well that parts way done. That's history too.
You guy's wanna survive? then gather amoungst you a "community" of like minded folks,,work together in a way to share tasks devoted to survivale for the abouve community.
I think they call that "america or the "american way".
Ain't that sposta mean we share? Anarchie died when we became the colonies,,,,,,,,,"United we stand"!!,,,,,,,,,,
What are you guys talkin about anywys? Y2K?? well that parts way done. That's history too.
You guy's wanna survive? then gather amoungst you a "community" of like minded folks,,work together in a way to share tasks devoted to survivale for the abouve community.
I think they call that "america or the "american way".
Ain't that sposta mean we share? Anarchie died when we became the colonies,,,,,,,,,"United we stand"!!,,,,,,,,,,
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You mean there is a topic? ::
I heard about this guy that wrote a book about how we, today, can start
helping our descendants prepare for Y3K (yes, YthreeK), which he
believes will be the real doomsday. :youcrazy:
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When people start talking about "survival", the obvious next question is, or should be, "surviving WHAT?"
It reminds me of a time when we were discussing survival guns on another list and someone advocated a .454 Casull with a 9 inch barrel as being a wise choice. I disagreed; at which point someone else suggested that I might better pay attention to the guy, as he'd survived multiple light plane crashes in Alaska, and more than one encounter with a grizzly. Well, NOW I saw his point! But from my perspective: I live in New Orleans, have never been to Alaska, don't travel via small planes, and have never seen a live bear except in the zoo. A 15 shot 9mm or .38 snubbie makes more sense for me; even the little .22 mini revolver that's my most-carried gun.
Someone else pointed out how all those nice folks helped their neighbors during hurricanes. Maybe so; but I can also remember the urban riots of the 60's: Airborne units had to be used in Detroit to suppress the uprising, after local and state police AND the National Guard failed.
As I say, it all depends: urban, deep woods, desert, cold weather, land, sea, short term, permanent collapse of civilization: what is it you see yourself having to survive? A bow and arrows won't save you during an urban riot but they'd sure come in handy if you had to wander the woods for months.
My vote for the best survivor - in a "total collapse of civilization" scenario - is the old codger who's been ekeing out a living on his own land for the past 70 years. Hell, surviving's what he's been doing all his life anyway!
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It reminds me of a time when we were discussing survival guns on another list and someone advocated a .454 Casull with a 9 inch barrel as being a wise choice. I disagreed; at which point someone else suggested that I might better pay attention to the guy, as he'd survived multiple light plane crashes in Alaska, and more than one encounter with a grizzly. Well, NOW I saw his point! But from my perspective: I live in New Orleans, have never been to Alaska, don't travel via small planes, and have never seen a live bear except in the zoo. A 15 shot 9mm or .38 snubbie makes more sense for me; even the little .22 mini revolver that's my most-carried gun.
Someone else pointed out how all those nice folks helped their neighbors during hurricanes. Maybe so; but I can also remember the urban riots of the 60's: Airborne units had to be used in Detroit to suppress the uprising, after local and state police AND the National Guard failed.
As I say, it all depends: urban, deep woods, desert, cold weather, land, sea, short term, permanent collapse of civilization: what is it you see yourself having to survive? A bow and arrows won't save you during an urban riot but they'd sure come in handy if you had to wander the woods for months.
My vote for the best survivor - in a "total collapse of civilization" scenario - is the old codger who's been ekeing out a living on his own land for the past 70 years. Hell, surviving's what he's been doing all his life anyway!
Capt. William
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I agree, captain, and that is why I no longer live in New Orleans, Houston, Washington, D.C. and the other big cities I used to live in. Urban areas are not my thing, I like the wilds of nature. Survival for me meant something real when I was deep in the wilderness of Alaska or Venezuela or Montana or Death Valley,[url] etc....in[/url] Colombia, it also meant survival from gangs of bandits, drug runners and communist guerillas...but that's another story. My survival kits were basic and (as I said before) except for Alaska, had no firearm. We had lost several people to bears in Alaska, so the company required me to carry a weapon. Didn't need to use it, but a couple of close encounters made me happy to have it. I would have loved to have had a gun in Venezuela or Colombia, but didn't...relied on a big knife for protection, but mostly just tried to avoid trouble. :m2c:
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Obviously there are many different scenarios that could possibly happen. I tend to agree that if you have the right stuff in between your ears as Maxi coined it, you'd still be ahead of the game to have a weapon of some kind also.
I also believe that the kind of bad guys Maxi's talkin' about would be handicapped in my wilderness. Also I believe 99% of them wouldn't venture to go there in the first place.
I spent 7 plus years as private security and bouncer in three bars at once. I know a little about surviving when it comes to bad guys also. Seldom did a day go by that I didn't have to get physical with some crack head or powder freak of some kind not to mention the garden variety drunk.
After my boss laid me off he was stabbed five times and died a year or so later due to complications stemming from it. That would never have happened to me. For I would've put the guy out the hard way where as my X-Boss just grabbed him by the arm to escort him out. Big mistake, if I had to lay hands on em their in trouble!
Coming from that background I know how to flip a switch and become instantly violent. I'm not proud of that part of my past and it is my PAST. I was never seriously hurt but I had something that Maxi didn't have. I didn't have any rules except self preservation. In other words I struck first (pre-emptive)anytime I felt the need to and I was the Law in my bars period.
Now that being said I realize that I had a Guardian Angel protecting me, and that may have been because I always tried to treat others as I would like to be treated. In my heart I kept the principles of God foremost.
In the scenario that some have brought up such as apocalyptic times and society falling apart as we know it, we are fighting against spiritual wickedness in high places. Without God we are unarmed!! But with him on your side no weapon formed against you shall prosper!
But then Jesus also said concerning that Great and Terrible day in Luke 22:36, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." :thumbsup:
YMH&OS,
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I also believe that the kind of bad guys Maxi's talkin' about would be handicapped in my wilderness. Also I believe 99% of them wouldn't venture to go there in the first place.
I spent 7 plus years as private security and bouncer in three bars at once. I know a little about surviving when it comes to bad guys also. Seldom did a day go by that I didn't have to get physical with some crack head or powder freak of some kind not to mention the garden variety drunk.
After my boss laid me off he was stabbed five times and died a year or so later due to complications stemming from it. That would never have happened to me. For I would've put the guy out the hard way where as my X-Boss just grabbed him by the arm to escort him out. Big mistake, if I had to lay hands on em their in trouble!
Coming from that background I know how to flip a switch and become instantly violent. I'm not proud of that part of my past and it is my PAST. I was never seriously hurt but I had something that Maxi didn't have. I didn't have any rules except self preservation. In other words I struck first (pre-emptive)anytime I felt the need to and I was the Law in my bars period.
Now that being said I realize that I had a Guardian Angel protecting me, and that may have been because I always tried to treat others as I would like to be treated. In my heart I kept the principles of God foremost.
In the scenario that some have brought up such as apocalyptic times and society falling apart as we know it, we are fighting against spiritual wickedness in high places. Without God we are unarmed!! But with him on your side no weapon formed against you shall prosper!
But then Jesus also said concerning that Great and Terrible day in Luke 22:36, "Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one." :thumbsup:
YMH&OS,
Chuck Goodall
The Original Huntin' Fool
&
Kanawha Ranger Scribe
Great point! :thumbsup:
Although it happens, urban predators are rarely found far from the city.
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A few years back I worked as a teacher in a juvinile "rehab" center that operated as a "wilderness program". Kids 14-18, violent offenders and predominately urban. We were only ten miles from an urban enviornment and a half hour drive from a major metropolitin area, but these kids thought they were in the deep woods.
Murders, rapists, armed robbers, all were meek as kittens when out of sight of pavement and street lights. Some actually cried in fear of the dark and hooty owls.
As soon as they saw a telephone pole, pavement or electric lights, they were brave and dangerous again.
Just an observation. :m2c:
Murders, rapists, armed robbers, all were meek as kittens when out of sight of pavement and street lights. Some actually cried in fear of the dark and hooty owls.
As soon as they saw a telephone pole, pavement or electric lights, they were brave and dangerous again.
Just an observation. :m2c:
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Sense of this thread? There ain't no stinking sense to this thread! :what:
Just a bunch of guys BSing around the fire.
We're harmless - as the fire starts to burn down, we'll all go back to our tents.
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That must be why I'm yawning!
I would rather have a muzzleloader than no gun in any situation. In a survival situation I would like to have a tank with a .50 cal machine gun on it. But if all I had was a .50 cal muzzleloader that would be better than nothing, a good head is a must regardless of what other items one has at hand. :m2c:
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