switching lock frizzens

[Carl Fowler III]

Since it is almost impossible to get a frizzen for the T/C locks, I was wondering if it is possible to use another make frizzen on my Renegade? :bow:

 

[Trot]

I have heard of using Lyman frizzens on TCs, but it seems like you could get one right from Thompson Center. If not, a quick search showed Dixie gun works has them, as well as some on ebay.

 

[Carl Fowler III]

I thought that T/C was out of business and no longer had supplies! But, you are saying Lyman frizzens can be used?

 

[Trot]

TC was bought out but still in business. I have heard of using Lyman frizzens, I have no idea how much fitting would be required.

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Several guys have fitted Lyman frizzens to their TC Hawkens

Now would be a good time for an outfit like L&R to make just good steel frizzens for replacements on TC locks.

I understand, TC had run out of some parts. But at least one guy I know just had warranty work, hoped for the new lock but got just a new frizzen. So they have some.

 

[M. De Land]

I've been doing some looking at frizzens lately and think one could make one fairly easy with some heavy spring steel, a bit of forging, shaping and filing. I don't think they have to be cast necessarily as all modern ones seem to be. MD

 

[M. De Land]

You probably will want to use the smallest over all diameter aperture you can find but the hole through the middle should be quite large. More like a ghost ring aperture so you can see through well with lots of light around the front post or bead. MD

 

[Many Klatch]

I fitted a Siler frizzen to a Japanese Tower pistol. The Siler worked a lot better than the original, but it wasn't anything to brag about. I had to do some carving with a Dremel to make it fit.

Many Klatch

 

[rich pierce]

Since it is almost impossible to get a frizzen for the T/C locks, I was wondering if it is possible to use another make frizzen on my Renegade? :bow:

Assuming it functions to cover the powder and does snap open, but is not sparking well, you could just have it half-soled (a piece of high carbon steel brazed to the face). Bingo- all the sparks you can handle.

 

[ebiggs1]

Since it is almost impossible to get a frizzen for the T/C locks, I was wondering if it is possible to use another make frizzen on my Renegade? :bow:

Despite what you may have read, the Lyman frizzen is NOT a better replacement for the standard 'new' TC frizzen. You can distinguish it from the older one by it's darker more black color.
It should not be a problem locating one.

 

[Rusty_Nail]

Chuck Dixon @ Dixons Muzzy shop gave me a Lyman frizzen for the Renegade. Fit like a glove, and works great!

 

[zimmerstutzen]

You are right, it should not be hard to find one, but unfortunately it is in many areas.
A month or two ago, tc customer service told some folks that it did not have some parts for a
hawken lock.
When parts are as rare as parts for a Chinese car, you have to make due.
BTW, try to get warranty work on a patriot pistol and see how little the warranty is worth

 

[stude 283]

You guys who think they are readily available are in for a shock if you need one.When added to cart on Dixie shows out of stock.I emailed muzzleloader707 on ebay(the guy who listed them until about 3mos.ago) and he said he cannot get them.Called TC and was told not available,but may have a production run in the future.I did finally find them in stock and ordered 2,but was told that when they are gone that they probably cannot replenish.It looks like the lyman replacement may well be the only option until someone in the aftermarket realizes there is a demand and tools up.Good luck and thanks S&W.

 

[MSW]

well, i never was sanguine about S&W taking over T/C ... too much 'follow the money...' (but that's a tirade for another day ...


long ago and far away, i asked a fellow to reharden my T/C frizzen and he said he'd be glad to, but that i have something that will save you some money and won't take as long, and he pulled out a Lyman frizzen and sold it to me for about five bucke less than a rehardening job... it fit OK and i was back making smoke ...

so, yes, the Lyman frizzen will fit (the older T/C locks, anyway ... don't know about the newer model... :hmm: )

good luck with your project, and make good smoke!

 

[chichi]

I have made a few from wrought iron and forge welded steel to the striking surface. They are fun to make. The critical part is to get the steel welded very well at the bottom where the right angle bend is. Also, the section where the screw for the pan bridle is located requires a little skill to get centered etc.
If you are interested in making one PM me, I might be able to save you some time .

 

[Black Jack]

It really is a shame about TC. They used to be the number one company in the muzzleloading business, and the main reasons were good quality and their Lifetime Warranty. There were countless testimonials from people that had all kinds of problems fixed for little or no cost. Now, they are just part of another conglomerate run by accountants instead of "gun people". I certainly would have no reason to buy a TC product over any other these days as they do not honor their "Lifetime" warranty any longer. I think I would stand a better chance with the Traditions warranty (and at least they still make traditional products). Lyman is great also.

 

[FishDFly]

It really is a shame about TC. They used to be the number one company in the muzzleloading business, and the main reasons were good quality and their Lifetime Warranty. There were countless testimonials from people that had all kinds of problems fixed for little or no cost. Now, they are just part of another conglomerate run by accountants instead of "gun people". I certainly would have no reason to buy a TC product over any other these days as they do not honor their "Lifetime" warranty any longer. I think I would stand a better chance with the Traditions warranty (and at least they still make traditional products). Lyman is great also.

Mr. Thompson and Mr. Center are dead, they no longer run the company.

Their company was purchased by Smith and Wesson.

How happy are the T/C employess now working for Smith and Wesson?

Please don't hammer T/C, they no long exist, as does Texaco, Amoco, Mobil, etc., they were all purchased by someone else.

Why not hammer the Board of Directors of Smith and Wesson, they made the changes to T/C? Have you written them a letter and voiced your displeasure with them?

Again the original owners are dead, time to let it go.

 

[M. De Land]

Thanks, I would love to kick around some ideas and learn what you know. I go to looking at mine and knew I could make one if I need to.
Made a frizzen spring last year as I don't care for the cast springs and it is working fine but was a real hassle to forge the screw purchase area out of to thin spring stock material. I have since gotten some much thicker spring stock material so that it would be much easier.
My idea was to make the whole thing out of spring stock from a car leaf spring. That way no shoe lamination would be needed to make sparks. MD

 

[Black Jack]

I have had, and still have, many TC products, and am well aware of the history of TC and their acquisition by S&W. A lot changed after Warren Center passed away. My statement that TC (which, incidentally, is still the name of that company owned by S&W) now being part of a conglomerate run by accountants was a rather obvious reference to them being absorbed by S&W. And no, I have not written any letters to S&W as of yet, and no, I don't intend to "let it go". Just tellin' it like it is.

 

[ebiggs1]

I don't know what the absolute legal responsibilities are for TC or any company that issues a “lifetime warranty”. But I do know the TC warranty has been used and abused and TC has show great generosity about honoring it. How many other companies that offer lifetime warranties do you guys rag on?
TC is still a better than average compnay to deal with.

Mr. Eames is right,

“... the original owners are dead, time to let it go.”