T/C Hawken, with Round Ball Barrel

[Toomuch51]

The sidelock requirement is not correct. You will find many oddities on the range.

I cannot speak for all events, but competition requirements in and around Pa. state "NO inlines".

Toomuch
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Shoot Flint

 

[FishDFly]

Can anyone please comment on:

* Whether the T/C-marked "Round Ball only" barrel does command a premium?

* And is it generally worth it for the accuracy gain? (In any...)

* Any other thoughts about those barrels?

From my records and for price comparison:

1. In 1983 a 1" barrel with a 1 in 66 twist .54
Cal T/C Round ball Barrel with sights from
Dixie cost $172.00.

2. In 1992 a 1" Green Mountain with a 1 in 66"
twist cost with sights, $100, 45 cal.

3. 1996 a 15/16" Green Mountain with a 1 in
66" twist cost with sights, $100, 45 cal.

4. T/C Renegade kit, 54 cal. $170 in 1992.

Let you decide, Green Mountain made more drop in barrels than T/C did in round ball barrels.

I would think a T/C round ball barrel would bring more than an after market barrel on a T/C.

My son shot numerous 50s with the barrel and was able to out shoot some of the men, part was him and some was the barrel.

I would say the T/C barrel brings a premium.

 

[BrownBear]

Dunno how "premium" those barrels really are. One was kicking around in a local shop for years gathering dust on the box. A bud of mine wanted it, but kept waiting till the price got down to $60 before he bought it. He was passing on it at $120, and he was the only one interested over several years.

He's a great shot and happy with it, but is yet to find a load combo that shoots better than his original 1:48 barrel. He surely won't part with it, but he's not singing the praises any more. Just a good spare barrel he got really cheap.

 

[stinkyfeet]

I have a 1-48 twist stock renegdade barrel on my TC Hawkens 1 inch stock and it drives tacks with a .491 prb and will flat out outshoot the 54 caliber 1-66 twist barrel on the same stock hands down.

 

[OldNo7]

Well, this post sure did generate a lot of interest and comments, thanks! :hatsoff:

Since all my gear is .45 cal, and the T/C Cherokee I have carries so well, plus I really don't BP deer hunt too much lately anyway, I've decided not to trade up to the larger/heavier .50 Hawken -- as nice as it is.

However, for those who might be interested in it...

The seller now has it marked for $385 -- and he says he will accept a cash offer of $350 on it.

PM me if you're close to mid-NH and you want the details of where it is...

Tight groups! :thumbsup:

Old No7

 

[OldNo7]

It's funny how you can change your mind when you have a month or so to mull things over some more...

I went and got it!!! $320.00 CASH out the door! :thumbsup:

I've decided the sweet l'il Cherokee is just that -- little... And while that's what attracted me to her 10+ years ago, I decided to move up to her "bigger brother", the R/B Hawken.

For comparison, here's how the Cherokee (Chrk) compares to the Round-ball Hawken (Hwkn):
--------Chrk Hwkn
Weight---6.2---9.0
OAL"----40.5--48.0
Bbl"-----24.0--32.0

Sure, the Hawken means more weight to carry while hunting or running the Primitive Biathlon with the infamous "Dalton Gang" over in NH, but she should hold better -- at least that's the plan!

Here are some pix to make this thread complete:

Sharp-eyed viewers will see a small flag of black elect tape under the tang sight of the Hawken; that's so the sight won't scratch the tang until the forward hole is D&Td. I got that sight "new, in original package" the other day for $75 -- pricey, but it's what I wanted for the Hawken.

Thanks to all who commented on this older thread! :hatsoff:

Old No7

 

[necchi]

Nice Grab!

 

[30coupe]

Sweet looking rifle! May I ask what sight you are putting on it? My old eyes may be happier with a peep sight of some sort. Is that the Lyman No. 57? If so is it simply a matter of drilling and tapping a second hole in the tang?

Thanks.

Russ

 

[mooman76]

Nice looking guns. The sidelocks are getting harder to find.

 

[Kylongrifle]

Nice, I just saw the barrel(1-66 rb barrel) only sell for that much on ebay.

 

[Rat Trapper]

Sweet looking rifle! May I ask what sight you are putting on it? My old eyes may be happier with a peep sight of some sort. Is that the Lyman No. 57? If so is it simply a matter of drilling and tapping a second hole in the tang?

Thanks.

Russ

No, those are TC peep sights. The one for the Cherokee is rare and hard to find.

 

[Alden]

I think that's a pretty darn nice get ya got!

 

[RedFeather]

Glad you got it and for a good price. On that .45 kit gun, sometimes I will be in a shop and see a gun that is priced way out of line. Nothing special. No hundred dollar bills rolled up and stuck into the muzzle to jusitfy the difference. When I ask how come, I'm usually told it's on consignment and the owner set the price. So not everything is valuable just going by the tag.

 

[OldNo7]

Latest Update:

Here's my first target that was shot "for group" after maybe 15 to 20 shots getting it close to point-of-aim:

That new-to-me 1-66" (round ball) .50 cal Hawken shot really well for me, but I'll admit that this group was only fired at 25 yards...

But it was for 3-shots, loaded from a pouch (no bench or table), shot offhand with no sling, and the range conditions were anything but "balmy"... 17 degrees out, with 20-25 mph winds, and I'd already been outside at the range for 1.5 hours before this group was shot.

I figure if I can load and shoot this well in those conditions at 25 yards, that with a slight adjustment to my sights, it will help me prepare for the upcoming "Primitive Biathlon" in Dalton NH in mid-February (1.5 miles on wood/rawhide snowshoes, engaging targets along the course).

The load was a 0.495" Hornady round ball with a 0.015" Ox-Yoke patch, lubed with "Mr. Flintlock's" patch lube (made locally to me), over 90 gr of 777 3F powder.

Can't wait to test this load at 50 and 100 yards -- in 5 or 10 degree weather. :thumbsup:

Tight groups!

Old No7

 

[Maven]

Impressive shooting! And now a question re: the tang sight on the Renegade. My Renegade's stock hasn't enough drop, so I find myself craning my neck to get a proper sight picture. Does that [tang] sight allow you to do so without bending your neck waaay over?

 

[OldNo7]

Impressive shooting! ...Does that [tang] sight allow you to do so without bending your neck waaay over?

Thanks for the + comment.

The T/C Hunting Tang Sight works really well for me, which is why I got one before I pulled the trigger to get the Hawken (as that deal was in the works and took a couple of weeks).

Only "issue" with those T/C sights is (a) availability and (b) price! I got lucky and found new/old stock marked $55.00 and the shop "made me pay them $70.00" (price sticker was 10 years old, from the date code). I feigned shock/resistance, but knowing those now sell for $125 and up -- IF you can find one -- I paid the price.

Good luck.

Old No7

 

[awebbersr]

Good shooting and fine looking rifle. :hatsoff:

 

[don hepler]

Better, to find a less windy day, to shoot 100 yards. A 20-30 mile an hour cross wind, would send the round ball way off target. Even a 10 mph wind would move it several inches. Wind plays havoc on a patched round ball. The 25 yard group is fantastic, and I would expect it will group at 50 and 100, with good conditions.
That's a fine looking rifle, I think the price was right on.