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i have a T/C muzzleloader RENEGADE .54cal, i would like to get some info on what other's shoot. i am currently using Hornady .54cal ball .530 250grain and .018" pre lubed patch with 110grain of FFG balckpowder.i can get on a 6x6 taget but can not get any grouping at 100yrd.i would like info on if i should change the powder load , or any other tips.i did shoot .54cal sabouts but did not like the fouling it crated after each shoot.o and i clean the bore after each shot.

any pointers for a new shooter, trying to get this ready for the NY hunt
 
Welcome to the forum,
Your charge is the max for that gun.
Accuracy is seldom found on the high end like that.
You should be able to get 6" groups at 100 and a single ragged hole at 50.
Reasonable accuracy can usualy be found around 70-80 grns of FFG with the ball/patch combo your using.
70gnrs is more than enough for Deer size game out too 100 with the 54.

Spend some time reading archived/back pages of different topics here, It's a treasure trove. :)
 
With mine, 90 grains 2F Goex, .015 ox-Yoke pre lubed patch and Hornady .530 ball. getting close to 3" at a 100yards and balls touching at 50 yards
 
The TC manual (you may be able to get tc to send you a copy for your gun) says 80gr, most accurate, I use 70 of 3f, You can shoot groups starting at 60 or 70 and see which is most accurate by moving up in 5 grain incraments. There is always room for improvement thank goodness a reason to go to the range.
 
Back off on that powder charge a little and try adding an over powder wad. I use the same ball and patch with 80 grains of FFFG and an 1/8" over powder wad. That recipe makes my Renegade scary accurate at 50 and 100....
 
I would try just what the others have said. Back off on the powder charge to about 75 to 80 grains and try that for starters. You can always bump it up from there. Mine prefers 90 grains of FF black out of a 1 in 70 twist barrel. You probably are shooting out of a 1 in 48 twist. Yo may be spitting that ball out too fast for that rate of twist barrel. :thumbsup:

HH 60
 
The max load for a TC 54 caliber like yours is 120 grains of 2F black powder. Only change one thing at a time. Shooting from 50 yards increase your powder charge 5 grains at a time starting at 70 grains. Shoot five shots, label the target and move on to the next one. wipe after every shot. Once you have found the prefered amount of powder, play with patches, lubes and ball size. Shot from the bench with bags on front and rear of stock. Use the 6 o'clock hold cause at this time you are only interested in the size of the group. You should beable to shoot smaller groups with the 6 o'clock hold. Don't forget to try both 2F & 3F black powder as well as Triple Seven.
 
My renegade likes 60-65 grains of FFF, a .530 ball and lubed pillow ticking patch. The areas I hunt have limited visiiblity and 50 yards would be a long shot so you may want to consider a load for the area that you plan to hunt in.
 
Read those spent patches. They will tell you a lot about your barrel, and accuracy problems. Heavy charges of black powder( 70 grains and more), and the substitutes will almost always shoot better with a Over Powder( OP) wads used as a " Firewall " and gas sealer.

Those heavy Round Balls will fly through most any deer you shoot out to 100 yds., and you don't need to try to send your shoulder back into the next country to help that ball do that job. If you didn't know it, "Recoil" negatively affects accuracy. When you are hunting game with a single shot rifle, and have to reload it in the field to have a second shot, the " Name of the game" is accurate placement of that FIRST SHOT. :hmm: :thumbsup:

Hitting that target with the first shot, every time, is more important than making tight groups
at 100 yds. But, the better the gun and he SHOOTER'S ability to make small groups, the better the indicators are that recoil is not spoiling the game. Do some comparison penetration tests with That first load, and with the "lighter" load you find is more accurate at 100 yds. You will find that the weight of a round ball is responsible for most of the penetration, NOT THE VELOCITY.

If you study tables on velocity, you will find that velocity of any RB drops off quickly from the muzzle, because the Round Ball has such a poor Ballistics Coefficent( drag factor). You can lose 40% of your Muzzle Velocity by the time the ball reaches 100 yds. The other sad fact is that the faster the ball leaves the muzzle, the faster it slows down. Increasing velocity is a "compromise" between trying to get a flatter arc of your trajectory, and getting more "power" at the longer range. No amount of powder is going to make your gun, shooting Round Balls, shoot flat to 200 yds, for instance. If it were possible, neither the gun, nor your shoulder, could take the recoil generated by such a load for long.

There are plenty of suppository rifles available that can shoot BULLETS fast enough to be reasonable flat shooting for longer range targets. Some of them even load Black Powder. There are some "slug guns"( heavy MLer bench guns) That are designed to shoot lead BULLETS out to long ranges, too. These guns are too heavy to be shot from the shoulder, and therefore are NOT suitable for most hunting. :hmm: :hatsoff: :hatsoff:
 
For many years now I have been hunting with a 54 cal Renegade loaded with 80 grns of GOEX 2Fg and home cast Lee Improved Minie bullets. It has always done the job adequately on muleys, cow elk and prairie goats. Most were down within 40-50 yards; all were dead by the time I arrived after reloading. Next objective is to get close enough to a whitetail in an eastern Colorado creek bottom.

Muzzleloaders are best used for broadside or quartering in from behind shots. They are less than ideal for shots from the front.

White Fox
 
mine liked 120 grains of FF and .535 balls the groups really tightened up with the 535 vs the 530 balls
 
last i read 120gran is the max recommended in most opportunities for that barrel.
 
thats correct and its a great rifle with that load kills deer in their tracks
 
Since I got a "deal" on them (like, the dealer's entire NOS - 10 boxes/20 for $25), I use conicals (T/C Maxi-Hunter) lubed with BoreButter1000 over 70gr FFFg Holy Black (Goex) in my .54 Renegade.

They shoot under 1-1/2" @ 100yds, if/when I do my part, which isn't necessarily all the time, I can tell you that. :wink:

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As has been posted, I would also try a thicker patch or .535" ball. One other thing to look at, the pre-lubed patches can sit on the shelf 'til they dry out. Try moistening the bag w/ some Hoppes #9+, or more borebutter/wonderlube.

I have one Renegade that likes .530" balls, .025" patches, mink oil, and 100gr of Goex 2f. That takes a GOOD whack on the starter, but loads easily once started. I don't load it heavier since some yahoo dovetailed period sights on it, but the depth of the dovetails has me a little worried.

My GM hawken likes .020" patches, and 120gr Goex 2f, but it is a 1:66 twist. or 1:70, don't remember right now.
 
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