T/C Patriot

[misher]

A friend loaned me a super condition T/C Patriot that he has never fired.(which I'll wangle some way to obtain). I have had a problem with it I have never seen before. When I push down the .440 ball with any thickness patch the original ramrod acts like a jag. If I use a thin patch when I pull it out , it brings the patch and ball back up with it. If I use a thicker patch it holds the rod and I needed pliers to pull it out. :idunno: :youcrazy:

 

[El Lobo]

I have owned a couple of Patriots but never had that problem. I would try using an aftermarket jag and see if it does the same thing. Since it sounds like you can load a .490 ball and patch down the barrel, I would assume the problem is in the ramrod rather than in the barrel. You might try sticking the ramrod in a drill and sanding the the brass down a little bit while spinning it in the drill to slightly reduce the diameter.

Good luck.

Lobo

 

[Rogue River]

Ramrod diameter is to large !

 

[R.M.]

I'd say your patch and ball combination is too small to start with. It shouldn't be that loose that it'll slide back up like that. Plus, the rod is catching the patch. When you push it down, after short starting it, kind of fold over the patch so your rod doesn't have any material between the barrel and rod.
Are you using a jag on the end of the rod? If so, a smaller jag would help.

 

[Jim/OH]

A smaller jag should take care of it. The original ramrod leaves a lot to be desired anyway. A normal aftermarket pistol ram rod is the best to use. Also on my .45 Patriot, I use a .445 ball with 20 gr. of FFFG, and it shoots great. Hope this helps. :thumbsup:

See ya, Jim/OH :hatsoff:

 

[misher]

Thanks, It got stuck pretty good, guess I'll try to find one in a smaller diameter. It was just the ball seating side,no jag on it.

 

[RADeO]

...the rod is catching the patch. When you push it down, after short starting it, kind of fold over the patch so your rod doesn't have any material between the barrel and rod.

I think RM hit on the key to your problem here. The patch you are using is too large in diameter and the edges are catching behind the flared end of the ramrod as the ball is pushed downbore. Had the same thing happen myself with my Patriot a time or two. :redface:

Before you spend any time changing dimensions of the ramrod, try cutting a patch at the muzzle, after short-starting the ball just below the muzzle face, then ram it down. I will bet your problem will be solved.

Good luck, and let us know what worked for you.

 

[DOUBLEDEUCE 1]

Your patch might be too large to start with. Also the ball diameter could be too small as has been already said.
I turned down the taper behind the button end of my homemade ramrod. The rod caught the patching and I had some difficulties removing the rod. The taper was reduced only slightly and lengthened. That cured it for me. It doesn't take much.

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

If you're using the pre-lubed patches, try using the .40-.45 cal ones instead of the larger ones. The fold-over is hanging-up, as another member posted. Also the use of a range rod instead of the ramrod will be of some help, as would be a well-made loading stand.

Be careful not to overcharge the Patriot, as you will crack the stock.

Dave

 

[rafterob]

With most single shot pistols I have ever owned, the factory supplied ramrod was my last choice for loading. My favorite is a ball-headed short starter with a ramrod shaft long enough to seat the ball. That way you don't need a separate short starter and ramrod. I have a pistol "range rod" now but that requires the use of a short starter first.