Zonie said:I think brett sr said sub 3 inch groups indicating that 3 inches would be a max but, boy, so much depends on the shooter with a hand gun it's hard to say what you will really get.
When I shot .22 pistols competitively (and I use the term loosely) another guy on my team using the same kind of gun I was using could consistently shoot 3/4 inch groups at 25 yards (slow fire) while my groups were more like 1 1/2 inches on a good day.
Others using similar pistols were doing good to get 4 inch groups and a few couldn't hold a 6 inch group.
If you are one of those rare "3/4 inch group" shooters I would expect a properly loaded Patriot to shoot about a 1 inch group.
ZonieIf folks would only realize that super powerful loads is not what black powder shooting and muzzle loading is all about we wouldn't see as many damaged stocks and grips.[/quote said:'Ain't ever gonna happen, Zonie. "Bigger is better" afterall.
My Patriot loves an 18 grain load with a tight fitting pillow ticking patch. I've shot a lot of 25 grain loads in it too and it's quite accurate with that load. No stock damage yet, but I don't intend to keep pushing my luck.
One negative about the Patriot is that the triggers are downright horrid. A little stoning turns them into the sweetest trigger you could ever ask for, but they're sure rough from the factory. Even with a trigger job, my Patriot's trigger doesn't hold a candle to the Traditions Trapper, which adjusted out to one of the most crisp and precise triggers I've ever felt on a muzzleloader. Accuracy wise, they're very close also. If the Patriot isn't available, the Trapper would make a good stand-in. I keep hoping to find an affordable Patriot in .36 some day.
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