TC Renegade 50 cal

[kelvinator]

Howdy, haven't posted here for some time but always lurking. A recent hunting land purchase by the family has re-kindled my muzzle loading interest.
Iv'e had this TC Renegade for a long time but have never REALLY been happy with it, not from a shooting stand point but more from the "authentic" side.
It shoots great but Iv'e always longed for a more authentic "Hawken" type ML.
Something like a Santa Fe Hawken would be fine, IF I could find a nice one.
I'd consider building one to my liking but not sure where or even if the necessary components can be sourced reasonably these days.
Considering posting it up for trade/sale unless it's economically feasible build something from the Renegade into what I'm after...which seems unlikely.
I also have a 32" Green Mountain drop in barrel for it in 50 cal with round ball twist.

 

[TDM]

That's a very nice combination with the GM barrel. If you have your heart set on parting with it, the combo should sell fairly fast on the forum classifieds.

 

[Indy Durtdigger]

If you look around you should be able to find a TC Hawken stock that those Renegade barrels with drop into. Stock has to have ordinally been for a .54 or larger caliber on the Hawken for it to work. May not be period correct but may be close enough depending on your fancy.

There's one on EBAY as a buy now. Everything less the lock but the Hawken and Renegade used the same lock if memory serves. There are also new old stock locks a couple pages in.

 

[necchi]

unless it's economically feasible build something from the Renegade into what I'm after,,,,

So, what are you after? What do you want?
The un-used Gm drop in is no slouch,, but I prefer the .54
What ever you choose will need some significant and dedicated time involved for not only load development but to become comfortable with use,
But the point lies,, What do you want?

 

[longcruise]

The Renegade (and all of the production rifles) is what it is. The things you can change on it are very limited. It will never be significantly more authentic. It’s perfectly period correct to the late 20th and early 21st centuries.

There's a good market for your Renegade especially with two barrels. There were many rifle forms to be found on the plains. Studying the period and the firearms is a good place to start. Pick one and go with.

 

[Dale Allen Raby]

If I had that combo, I wouldn't sell unless somebody offered a ridiculous price.

 

[centershot]

If you're looking for something more "authentic", you'll need to decide what type of rifle you're interested in. To me, the Renegade is a modern representation of the Jaeger style rifles of yesteryear - stoutly built, short-barreled, heavy caliber rifles intended for big game hunting. Sounds like a Renegade to me. To my mind, the Renegade was never meant to be a "no-frills" Hawken, but a rifle more akin to a later model Jaegers. PC? No, no more than T/C's imitation of the Hawken rifle, which could only, generously, be called "close" IMO.

 

[chorizo]

@centershot Nails it.

 

[sussexmuzllodr]

Howdy, haven't posted here for some time but always lurking. A recent hunting land purchase by the family has re-kindled my muzzle loading interest.
Iv'e had this TC Renegade for a long time but have never REALLY been happy with it, not from a shooting stand point but more from the "authentic" side.
It shoots great but Iv'e always longed for a more authentic "Hawken" type ML.
Something like a Santa Fe Hawken would be fine, IF I could find a nice one.
I'd consider building one to my liking but not sure where or even if the necessary components can be sourced reasonably these days.
Considering posting it up for trade/sale unless it's economically feasible build something from the Renegade into what I'm after...which seems unlikely.
I also have a 32" Green Mountain drop in barrel for it in 50 cal with round ball twist.

Dead Deer are authentic....

 

[kelvinator]

Things I want that the (my) Renegade lacks...
Maple stock, double wedges, metal end cap, metal ramrod entry pipe, long tang with screw through wrist to trigger plate.
Proper trigger guard, sights, but plate, ect.

All but the patch box and flint lock on the bottom rifle.
And 54 cal, or 58.

 

[chorizo]

Then you want a Plains Rifle. Time to put your Renegade up for sale.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...-rifle-w-william-large-premium-barrel.160412/

 

[longcruise]

If you can build it, check out the leman at Pecatonica.

 

[kelvinator]

I like the Hawken half stock at Pecatonica.

 

[longcruise]

That's a good choice too.

 

[ETipp]

Then you want a Plains Rifle. Time to put your Renegade up for sale.

https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...-rifle-w-william-large-premium-barrel.160412/

Exactly! The GPR fits the bill nicely.

 

[Shawrco]

There happen to be several Renegades for sale on GB at the moment

 

[chorizo]

There happen to be several Renegades for sale on GB at the moment

What he already has and EXACTLY what he doesn't want if you read the original post.

 

[rhart]

If you're looking for something more "authentic", you'll need to decide what type of rifle you're interested in. To me, the Renegade is a modern representation of the Jaeger style rifles of yesteryear - stoutly built, short-barreled, heavy caliber rifles intended for big game hunting. Sounds like a Renegade to me. To my mind, the Renegade was never meant to be a "no-frills" Hawken, but a rifle more akin to a later model Jaegers. PC? No, no more than T/C's imitation of the Hawken rifle, which could only, generously, be called "close" IMO.

I'm curious. I hear a lot of people say that TC Hawken rifles are not 'correct' as Hawken rifles. Could you explain why you feel it is not "close"? Thanks.

 

[rhart]

@centershot Nails it.

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If you don't mind my asking, what is that top rifle? Almost looks like a TC Hawken?

 

[chorizo]

If you don't mind my asking, what is that top rifle? Almost looks like a TC Hawken?

J. ZETTLER NEW YORK HALF STOCK PERCUSSION RIFLE.​

https://www.invaluable.com/auction-...half-stock-percussion-rifle-3538-c-74c4b5982b
It appears to incorporate some of those features into what this maker was known for..schuetzen

Looks like a standard Renegade with a curved buttplate. to me.

"ZETTLER, JOHN, New York, New York, 1847-185? . Percussion and breechloading schuetzen rifles."