Teflon Ticking Patches

I envy the fervor you put into the sport - as I used to, but a long time ago. Nowadays, I'm a hunter who uses all of my guns at one time or another, but with too many irons in the fire, with little time to 'get into' anything in particular at any single time.
: I do, however concentrate on one thing for a while, switching off as mood arrises or trends strike me. For a while, I HAD to have a smoothbore- so much fun, and will probably shot it few times befoe hunting starts in September- I may try for a goose - but we don't eat them- yuk! The last few we had were just too tough - I guess I shouldn't shoot the biggest, eh? got to the point where I don't really like Moose anymore, either, however Elk are still good. The musket will do for either, if the mood arrises.
: Way back when I was going through hundreds of pounds of lead a year, shooting whenever I had 30 minutes to put togther and belonging to the NAPR, my learning curve was rather steep. We arose to heights in accuracy that paralelled what was being shot at friendship at that time, as in 50 3X at 50 yds. onthe buffalo target.
: Gotta go take the kids to University right now. No time to proof. Hope there aren't to many spelling mistakes.
: Since then, everything has been quite status-quo, not seeing anything that beats what we are doing and have been doing. The type of shooting we do, doesn't lend itself to cleaning any more than after the shooting's done for the day.
: The Green River .69 barrel on theEnglish Spoting rifle has beent he most accurate barrel I've shot in a ML. Every time put on paper at 100 meters, (109yds), it has made a 1 1/2" group for 5 shots, with one usually out by 1/2" or so and the rest in a single hole barely larger than 1". That sort of accuracy really makes one confident in what he's doing. The .45 with aGreen Mountain barel consistantly shoots into 2" at 100meters and that's fine for a small bore, for me. At 50yds. they both make an enlarged hole, shooting without cleaning and using spit for lube. For hunting with a greased patch, accuracy isn't as good, but still plenty good enough for hunting.
; Company just arrived,. bye for now.

 

Daryl,
i went on a goose hunt once. Bagged out in about 5 seconds on the first flight over the deeks. I was like shooting floating trash cans as they hung just over the ground at 30 yards.
They were absolutely inedible to my taste ( yuk, yuk) and I was raised "if you don't eat it don't shoot it" I never shot another.
Wild turkey, on the other hand, was awesome.

 

So I've heard. With the AYA 10 bore, it was a right and a left and the day was over.
; I had worked on those chokes all summer, getting it to 96% left barrel, 94% right barrel using a brake cylinder hone and handloads. I used 2 ounces of #2 Bliemeister (very hard, 5% antimony)in a 3-1/4" hull(shortened 3 1/2") with SP10 wads. For ducks with #5 hard shot, It patterned 96% and 91% and put 180 #5's in a mallards silouette at 40yds. I was afraid to shoot ducks with it.
: After cooking the big one, maybe a weak or two later, we ended up throwing it out and going out for a pizza. I gave the other away & never shot another. I sold to 10 bore on a Browning O/U 12 for ducks and sold it when the steel shot law came out - that was it for ducks and geese. I did like the Gadwall ducks though and the odd blue-wing teal, but not any others, including mallards Gadwals were sweet meat, being 98% insectivorous, rather than only 96% like Mallards. The mallards arund here eat spawned-out salmon.YUK BIG time. If I'm going to eat salmon, it's going to be fresh, not rotten, like the ducks do.9funniest thing you ever saw, bald eagle and a mallard side by side, eating side by side salmon.

 

[AdirondakDD]

John L

What form of Teflon is used to "coat' the cotton, what is the thread count of your cotton?

Thanks for sharing
Lou

 

[miqueleter]

:agree: Teflon is a step forward.
A couple of decades ago, I was on active duty when the chemist that developed Breakfree paid a visit to my ordnance shop to see if Breakfree would be any good on weapons. The claim was it was a cleaner, lubricant, and preservative all in one. Humph, I scoffed but said I

 

Thanks for the reqisit testing on the iquid teflon, miqueleter as I refuse to clean except after shooting is over. I didn't know if it would work for repeated shots or not. It is nice to have a couple accurate lubes that will allow repeat shots without losing accuracy.

 

[miqueleter]

:results: Daryl, damp would be the term I would use to describe how my patches ended up-not too moist and definitely not too dry. My exhaustive test for the right amount of lube was if I squeezed a white stuff dampened patch between thumb and flipping finger, no moist Teflon should squeeze out. As far as I can tell, a too moist patch never interfered with accuracy, just made my fingers messier-soot + oil =spotting agent. On loading patch and ball with my short starter, there was never more than a hint of lube squeezed out. Sometimes when I loaded up some loading blocks and did not get around to using them for weeks, the patch

 

I am now remembering that back in '78, I tried CLP for lube straight out of the bottle and in the .58 Hawken, it was too thin to properly lube and keep the fouling soft with the loads I commonly used. I was also using Bear's oil and grease at that time for hunting, and found that to be slighty better than the CLP, allowing more shots before swabbing was required. This was only important when hunting growse.
; Perhaps, separting off the teflon from the carrier makes a difference in fouling softening. I'll have to try it. Thanks.

 

[RussB]

John L.Hinnant....That was a well written, very informative post you did back on the 10th of Aug. Looking forward to more of your writings.
Respectfully, Russ

 

[JOHN L. HINNANT]

Greetings Lou,

My apologies for not getting an answer to you sooner. Life has been a bit busy around here the past 3-4 days.

I do not teflon coat my material so cannot advise you on that subject. I do purchase and prepare the cloth,then send it off for coating. All of this information is found in one of my previous postings on this forum.

Teflon is a dry lube and only one side of the cloth is sprayed. Am also told the teflon is dyed to identify the coated side For ALL match shooting and accuracy testing, the bore is religiously wiped between every shot. This is also described on another posting.

Wiping may or may not be necessary depending on individual barrels. Wide groove, narrow lands(like GM barrels) are forgiving in this respect, at least for a second shot. For the record, this not a criticism of GM barrels. Mine are great shooters without exception.

I also do not know the thread count, but it is very tight, and is actually pillow ticking milled from Egyptian cotton.
True or false, ACCORDING TO THE STORY, this ticking was produced to specs outlined in a US military bid. The contract expired 10 or so years ago and was never "let out" again.

In the San Antonio, TX area WYNN'S stores were the only places that had it. When they announced closing, I went around buying all I could, 3-1/2 bolts. Glad I did; only have about 2 bolts left.

Another fabic I really liked was purchased from a cavas/awning shop and called INDIAN HEAD. One of my shooting friends and top-notch competitor liked a certain kind of POCKET TWILL. These two fabrics may or may not be availabe any more.

Be careful about buying cotton cloth today. Some so-called all cotton is not. I always ask the fabric shop for a small sample to take home for testing by burning. 100% cotton will burn to a powdery ash. A polyesther blend will not.

Hope this will help you out.

Best regards, John L. Hinnant

 

[AdirondakDD]

Thank you John L
I found a bottle of Hoppe's Powdered Teflon that I purchased in 1980. It was for 1911A1 slides. I still have a full container a little went a long way. Time to experiment.