the coyote quest continues!!!!

[adkmountainken]

i have made up my mind that i will shoot the first yote this year with a smokepole if it takes me all year!!! i will be out tommorow morning with either my 45. flinter or my TC 56. smoothie depending on rain. lots of yotes here i should get a chance soon.
Ken

 

Just out of curiosity, what are your hunting regulations in NY for yotes? Here in PA we can hunt them 24 x 7 x 365 (maybe there are a few limitations during deed and bear seasons). Anyhow, we have a real issue with these critterers as far south as Chester County. I saw my first one last summer near Reading. I was hunting woodchucks and the farmer stopped his tractor and was jumping up and down yelling for me to shoot the thing. I thought it was one of his dogs -- but it was not. It was a good 250 to 300 yards out there at the edge of a woodline just sitting there. Had I know what it was I wold have nailed it without quesion. Some of the farmers have asked me to spend the night near their houses and try to shoot the yotes that are eating the dog food and the barn cats. I hear these Eastern Coyottes are coming in at 60- 75 pounds of muscle, teeth and attitude. Also, may have bred with wolves and dogs (Coydog) along their migration. Another theory -- they no longer eat carrion. They want live food because the poision campaign that the government had for years only killed off the yotes that had a mind to eat road kill. That mind set is now gone and they all want warm food. They are taking a terrible tool on the small game here in PA.

 

[Musketeer]

I hear these Eastern Coyottes are coming in at 60- 75 pounds of muscle, teeth and attitude.

Lord, have mercy! I'd love to se one o' them! :shocking:Out here, our yotes are lucky to reach 30-40 lbs.!!! 'Course, then the enviroweenies went and reintroduced the Mexican Gray Wolf out here, so maybe if they're not too busy killin' folks' livestock (which they have been doing) they'll breed with some yotes and give us some bigger targets! Though if they do interbreed, they'll probably be protected like the Mexican Grays... :cry: Oh, well, a feller can dream, can't he? :thumbsup:

P.S. I've found that a .595 RB combined with a .020 pillow tick patch on top of 80gr. FFg Goex, outta my 36" barrel English Fowler has a tendency to knock these small yotes out here right over on their side at 20 yds or so! :: :results: :thumbsup:

 

[adkmountainken]

coyotes around here run between 20-35 pounds on average. there are many large ones around 40-50 pounds. have never heard or saw a 60 pounder. yote season runs from oct-march in NY. i use mouth calls manily and holwers during feb-march which is breeding season and they are very territorial. i have been to a few seminars about coyotes and was told every time that a coyote will NOT breed with fox or domestic dog and that there is no such thing as a coy dog. i believed this for a long time untill myself and 3 buddies went yote hunting a couple years ago. i was doing the calling and my buddies were spred out a little ways from me. within a few minutes of calling my buddy shot. when i walked over to him i thought he had shot a big fox untill i got closer. it was a 30 pound red coyote. we are not talking blond or reddish, i mean it was RED!!! have never heard of this as a color phase and wonder if its parents had breed with a fox? damdest thing i ever saw as far as yotes go.

 

I was talking to a guy from upstate PA (once again from Tioga County) and he said that his brother had two big German Shepherds that he let run loose arroung the property thinking that they were big strong dogs and as a pair would defend themselves from the Coyotes in the area. Then one day they were both gone. He had not idea what had happened and felt that they would not have been hit by a car or stolen. Then a few weeks after that he and his wife here woken up by a lot of howling in the back yard. They went to the bedroom window and hit the flood lights and there were a couple of coyotees in the back yard and his shepards were with them. He opened the window and the coyotes took off. So he called for his dogs and they took off in the same direction as the coyotes. He thinks his dogs were to big for the coyottes to attack and they just joined the coyottes as some sort of pack mentality.

 

[KyFlintlock]

That was a pretty one. I have seen red ones, gray ones, brown ones, and a pitch black one last year, as I was turning about a mile from my house in suburbia. I stopped my van and "blackie" was standing there with a regular coyote trying to decide on what to do. She was gorgeous!

Good luck and post a pic if'n you get one.
Wess

 

[adkmountainken]

Chet,
that would be a first. coyotes are VERY teeritorial and will not stand the presence of a domestic dog with them. trust me 3-4 coyotes would kill and eat 2 BIG german sherpards. yotes have lived all their life hunting and fighting. a big part of their diet when available is domestic cat and dog. would be a scary thought 2 german shepards turing wild as they are a big dog thatwould need to eat more often than a yote.

 

i have been to a few seminars about coyotes and was told every time that a coyote will NOT breed with fox or domestic dog and that there is no such thing as a coy dog.


Anyone who believes "Yotes" do not bred with domestic dogs needs to do a simple test. And not a DNA test either.
Take a female dog that is in heet, and put her in a pen where coyotes are and see if the "yotes" are attracted to her.
I had this happen to a dog I had a few years ago. She was in heet, and there was a coyote trying every thing it could to get into the pen with her one evening about dusk.
I lived in the country , and nobody lived right behind me so I placed a shot to the head on that critter.
I for one believe they do cross breed and have seen a full body mount of what they call a coydog. They even look like a cross breed.

Woody

 

[Keith]

I am sorry I don't recall the source, but I read that coyotes will breed with dogs. However, dogs and coyotes breed a different number of times a year. I think once for coyotes and twice for dogs. So the dog tends to be breed out leaving mostly coyote characterisitcs. Another way of saying that is almost purely coyote. I also suspect it isn't real common because of the hostility between the species.

 

[adkmountainken]

i do a TON of yote hunting and deer hunting. have never saw these so called "coy dogs " yet. prove me wrong. show me a picture! i'm sure that there is the once in a blue moon cross tnat it does happen but there are alot of pepole saying that this is common. if its so common then where are they???? lots of seroius coyote hunters around here that take quite a few every year. never have i heard of them taking a "coy dog "

 

[buckknife]

I wouldnt say its common for them to interbeed but they may.When i was a youngen i shot 2 pups in the summer that had dark black patches on them in several places.
I used to live sumwhat back in the sticks for around hear.One winter,cant remembe the month but there was snow on the ground,a yote came with in 50 yards of the house at night and would howel.I had a large border collie and he came up missen one night.I could hear him barken a long ways off.I got my pistol an light an took off.I found him by a big brush pile that a dozer made years ago when clearing the land.yote tracks everware an the dog had blood on him around his neck.When i got him home i found out the blood wasnt his.
I think for sum reason this was a lady yote who was in heat,maybe the alpha male was missen from the pack or my dog was whoopen on him,one of the other.
There has been sum big yotes taken around here but its not a common thing.Once in a while you will see one that is adnormally bigger than the common yote,darn near timber wolf size.Ive never shot one that big,dont ussally hunt em on purpose very often.There fur aint worth much anymore i hear.
Do yotes breed with dogs,im not sure but that yote by our house wanted are dog for sumthin,if it were to lure him out an eat him i think the pack had there chance an could of,but they didnt.

 

The full body mount of a coydog is in a resturant/bar (McFarland House) in the village of Wilcox PA that I previously mentioned.
If you ever get down US RT 219 30 miles south of Bradford Pa stop in and take a look at it
Woody

 

[Keith]

I don't think coydogs are common. I often correct people who call coyotes coydogs. I think it is possible and is at least a partial explanation why our coyotes are larger than western ones. A little dog in the blodlines might add a little size.
Unless it is a miniture poodle in the bloodline. :crackup:
Tastes like chicken says the coyote. :haha:

 

[olgreenhead]

Coyotes mate for life until the mate get killed .

 

[dbowling]

Hey Ken, Hows it going put some sheepskin silencers on the Crusader tonight look real good. You have any idea where I might be able to get a new or used .32-.36 sidelock for squirrel hunting(percussion) and maybe a little closeup yote shooting..... Talk at you later, Dean

 

[adkmountainken]

Dean,
you might be able to find one on auctionarms. i have a 32. TC Cherroke that is a sweet shooter. as i know you are a stand up, trustworty guy i would let ya borrow it for awhile if ya like? I'm very glad that you eneded up with the Crusader as i can see it definitly is in a good home!!! I hope to have a new one built for me someday, would also like a new Shrew as long as i'm daydreaming!!!! take care,
Ken