The Revenant.

[Packrat]

Right here in Pr4escott, AZ two weeks ago we had a fatal bear attack. Guy was buiding a home, (IN bear country) have a morning cup of JOOE and out of the forest comes a bear, drags him down a ravine and starts to feed on him. Neighbors made Nosie and tried to scare the bear, finally one shot it
Moral. there is no telling what would, will happen

 

[brazosland]

Nevermind

 

[SPQR70AD]

We had this discussion at a rendezvous this past weekend. All agreed, the old one was better. The bear attack in Revanent was so fake as to be laughable.

how do you figure the bear attack looked fake?

 

[SPQR70AD]

For you guys that swear he shoots the bear several times without reloading, here the entire scene from the movie. He shoots one time. Yes the frizzen was open (not clogged with leaves) and he closes it prior to shooting with likely no prime in the pan. Must be a bit of the Mandela effect going on.

it is amazing that so many guys try to prove how smart they are by saying he fired multiple times and what happens instead of showing how smart they are they show the opposite. why watch movies if you will nit pick every detail? you cant even watch a documentary without it having false facts sprinkled in it. 20 years US commanders said US winning the war in afghan filing false reports. at least in a movie trillions are not spent and tons of people getting killed

 

[beardedhorse]

There was a scene is the Revenant where Leondardo DiCaprio fired a flintlock pistol twice in about 15 seconds. On horseback in battle with French voyageurs or courier des bois. Dr. James Hanson of the Museum of the Fur Trade was hired as a historical consultant for good money and his advice was largely ignored. The director said the movie was entertainment, not a documentary. You could spend a lot of time with popcorn and friends watching and picking apart all the mistakes of most Hollywood interpretations of events loosely based on history. I think a truly authentic movie must be made by a dyed in the wool historian or re enactor with the means to do it right.

 

[beardedhorse]

Frederick Manfred wrote Lord Grizzly in 1954. Manfred is not his legal name. Look up Lord Grizzly on Wickipedia for a complete and interesting background on him and his book. His son in law wrote a screen play based on Frederick's book but never got made into a movie.

 

[2 shots]

most of the people who are watching movies these days cant make change or add without a calculator, do you really think they know what they are watching?? i dont think so.

 

[SPQR70AD]

There was a scene is the Revenant where Leondardo DiCaprio fired a flintlock pistol twice in about 15 seconds. On horseback in battle with French voyageurs or courier des bois. Dr. James Hanson of the Museum of the Fur Trade was hired as a historical consultant for good money and his advice was largely ignored. The director said the movie was entertainment, not a documentary. You could spend a lot of time with popcorn and friends watching and picking apart all the mistakes of most Hollywood interpretations of events loosely based on history. I think a truly authentic movie must be made by a dyed in the wool historian or re enactor with the means to do it right.

then nobody would watch it

 

[Grenadier1758]

@SPQR70AD is correct. The movie, "Under These Same Stars" was made by an independent production company who used a real incident that happened in St. Genevieve, Missouri and filmed many of the scenes in buildings that actually existed at the time of the events. Not only did they use the actual sites, much of the dialog was taken from the records of the inquest and recorded in Seville, Spain. How many of us have heard of this movie. All, right I did spot a few mistakes, but these were very few. The producers did listen to the reenactors and spent a great deal of effort to get the material culture right.

Not many have watched it.

 

[kyron4]

Some of us have actually seen bears maul and kill animals. Go watch a dog shake a rat, you might get the idea.

My dog has killed three ground hogs this summer, each "attack" was different and unique , and that's with the same dog. Too many variables with animals to say it has to be one way or not at all. Just saying.

 

[kyron4]

I have read many articles and books on bears charging, attacks and maulings, one thing they all seem to have in common is each one is different in numerous ways. I do not believe a bear has one set way to do its natural things it does. Hollywood does what it does to make films exciting, but how bad was this man mauled in? It was a story passed down for many years, maybe it was worst, or not as bad as depicted. Met a man once that claimed to have been attacked by a small Grizzly, showed the scars, got racked across his back with claws while running away, at that point the bear dropped the attack. The infections from the clawing was the worst from the ordeal, he claimed. I think if you took a survey you would more than likely have quite a few ways different people would have wanted that scene portrayed.

I met a man years ago who had been attacked my a mountain lion . He said the main factor that allowed him to survive was the cat was a juvenile and hadn't perfected it's killing skills yet.

 

[blackeagle]

For you guys that swear he shoots the bear several times without reloading, here the entire scene from the movie. He shoots one time. Yes the frizzen was open (not clogged with leaves) and he closes it prior to shooting with likely no prime in the pan. Must be a bit of the Mandela effect going on.

Thought this was Cocaine Bear for brief second.

 

[Blitz]

Just making a joke using a generic example, not specific to any movie. Even the most researched and thought out period piece will draw criticism from some for something as insignificant as the color of buttons on a jacket or a bayonet that wasn't issued in early '42 but late '42. In short, some people will always find the turd in the punch bowl.

Manytimes it seems there more turds than punch.

Blitz

 

[RobertE]

Just making a joke using a generic example, not specific to any movie. Even the most researched and thought out period piece will draw criticism from some for something as insignificant as the color of buttons on a jacket or a bayonet that wasn't issued in early '42 but late '42. In short, some people will always find the turd in the punch bowl.

Drives my wife nuts when I do it. “Can’t you just enjoy the movie?” is her usual response.
My two pet peeves, movies set in the 20’s thru 50’s where every vehicle looks like it just left a car show, shiny paint and chrome with not a ding, rust spot, or grime in sight, or an end of the world premise, but the electricity is still on.

 

[M. De Land]

I have read many articles and books on bears charging, attacks and maulings, one thing they all seem to have in common is each one is different in numerous ways. I do not believe a bear has one set way to do its natural things it does. Hollywood does what it does to make films exciting, but how bad was this man mauled in? It was a story passed down for many years, maybe it was worst, or not as bad as depicted. Met a man once that claimed to have been attacked by a small Grizzly, showed the scars, got racked across his back with claws while running away, at that point the bear dropped the attack. The infections from the clawing was the worst from the ordeal, he claimed. I think if you took a survey you would more than likely have quite a few ways different people would have wanted that scene portrayed.

I was amazed at how realistic the mauling seemed on film. I've not personally witnessed or been envolved in a mauling but the movement did not seem mechancal or staged in any way I could detect with an untrained movie goers eye. It all looked very real to me ! Also I didn't notice any reason the flint gun would not have fired when he finally did get a shot. The dumb part was to move at all after the bear left initially !

 

[M. De Land]

Right here in Pr4escott, AZ two weeks ago we had a fatal bear attack. Guy was buiding a home, (IN bear country) have a morning cup of JOOE and out of the forest comes a bear, drags him down a ravine and starts to feed on him. Neighbors made Nosie and tried to scare the bear, finally one shot it
Moral. there is no telling what would, will happen

Was it a black or Grizzly bear? Sounds like black bear behavior to me as they usually are timid but if they start stalking you they mean to eat you in general . Most brown bear maulings here in AK are sows protecting cubs and all they want is to eliminate what they perceive as threat ! Some times an old boar will have lost his teeth and stalk humans but it is rare.

 

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I liked Revenant very much, its beautifully filmed in various places, scenery is stunning. I understand that sometimes accuracy especially regarding firearms is lacking in many movies, but I guess I tend to judge the movie more on its presentation.
I especially liked the brief scene with DiCaprio in his dream state when he hugs his son who he knows is already dead. Very moving scene.
DiCaprio for all his faults is a very good actor.
If you havent seen him in Blood Diamond, watch it, its a corker.

 

[Notchy Bob]

I thought The Revenant was good. I looked up whatever I could find about it some time back.

Regarding that shot at the bear, I've seen a couple of historical references to "self priming" flintlocks. Essentially, this just means the touch hole is big enough to allow some powder from the main charge to leak out. John Palliser recommended "...a light self-priming flint gun..." for running buffalo, as it saved the trouble of priming while on the back of a running horse. It was customary to plug a leaky touch-hole with a feather if you didn't want it to leak. So, if we didn't see Leo refresh his priming before he shot the bear, maybe he had a historically accurate self-priming rifle.

I think the director's vision for this movie was to film it all outdoors in natural light, which he did, except for the indoor scenes at the fort. No studio "green screens." That was real snow and ice, and it really was cold, although the actual historical bear attack on Hugh Glass took place in the month of August, 1823. I don't know why they elected to make this a winter movie.

I've never seen a grizzly bear attack anything, although I did watch the John West salmon ad (YouTube video right here. Well worth watching... Glass could have taken a lesson from this fisherman...). I thought the bear mauling scene in The Revenant was pretty convincing.

One thing I did not get was the significance of the hogs roaming the burned out Arikara village. I didn't think the Indians kept hogs, nor do I know of any references to wild hogs or domestic swine kept by any white folks in the Arikara neighborhood. Also, I could have done without the US Army attack on the Pawnee village, where Glass' wife was killed. The Pawnees raided some emigrant trains and were sometimes kind of a nuisance to travelers and homesteaders before the War Between the States, and there might have been some minor punitive skirmishes, but the Pawnees were never at war with the United States. They are cultural and linguistic kin to the Arikaras, but the two nations are distinct. I think the director may have gotten the lines blurred between them. The Pawnees did suffer terrible losses in a smallpox epidemic in 1831, which was after the Hugh Glass versus grizzly event, but I think they could have worked that into the story instead of the totally fictitious attack on the Pawnees by the US Army.

Overall, though, I thought it was good, and they went to much greater effort than is typical to get the clothes and weapons as accurate as they could, although a lot of the "guns" were actually prop guns made of urethane foam, realistically painted. Most of these were sold at auction some time after the movie was released. This is one of them, the prop rifle carried by Lucan Haas:



I also liked the fact that they hired American Indian and First Nations people, many of whom were not professional actors, to play the native roles. The reservations are typically economically depressed, and I'm sure that brought in some much needed cash, as well as giving some of the people opportunities for professional development. That's good. The scenery was spectacular.

Best regards,

Notchy Bob

 

[Cayman like]

They should have changed his name. Very different from the real story. No proof it was Bridger was one who abandoned him. Glass forgave them but didn't forget it. They took his rifle which "he valued above all price".That motivated him to survive. Ten years later he was well respected by the "king of the Missouri " Kenneth Mckenzie at Fort Union. American Fur Company named one of their steamboats after him when he was still alive. See museum of the mountain men story on him and newest Jim Bridger biography. Sorry about my long-winded reply!

 

[Campbell]

Revenant? Very good movie.