The Ruger New/ Old Army

[hrt4me]

I sent for a Ruger factory letter on my ROA, and got it back in only 3 weeks! Good service!

what did that cost?

 

[springfield art]

what did that cost?

OK. Ten bucks each. They send a nice heavy off- white document with red Ruger logo at top, nicely addressed to you, with info on when mfg., which factory, and distributor it went to. It comes in a flat mailing envelope w/ cardboards so it's not bent or folded. I also got a letter for a 1970's .44 Ruger carbine. Definitely enhances "value" of the gun.

 

[hrt4me]

Ten bucks each. They send a nice heavy off- white document with red Ruger logo at top, nicely addressed to you, with info on when mfg., which factory, and distributor it went to. It comes in a flat mailing envelope w/ cardboards so it's not bent or folded. I also got a letter for a 1970's .44 Ruger carbine. Definitely enhances "value" of the gun.

much better than Colt charges!

 

[Woody Morgan]

Nope. Wrong again.

In 1917, the Russian Revolution was a wake-up call for the rest of the world. After slaughtering their own royal family the so-called Bolshevik socialists founded a nation built on fear, with everybody equal except those who ran it - who were above criticism.

Then the Peace came in 1918, and all of a sudden there were well over 7 MILLION men [and some women] in UK who had experienced the war, and were skilled in the use of arms. The lack of any real direction after the war led to a very real fear, by the government and ruling classes, that there might well be an armed insurrection that would do away with the classes and even the monarchy, led by men who had spent the previous four years suffering on their behalf, and getting slaughtered for what was revealed to them by Communist agitators in UK as nothing more than errant capitalism.

At that time there were no restrictions on the purchase of firearms.

The Irish problem was about to go away when the Truce took place and twenty-six of the thirty-two counties of Ireland became a self-governing Free State with its own Civil War to keep it busy.

It's a complex subject to get a handle on, and I recommend that you you some reading. If you do, you'll be the very first American I've ever met in my life who gives two hoots about the rationale of the UK's odd gun laws.

I give a hoot.
Seems you Brits may simply be ahead of the curve, so to speak. If folks here don't think it can happen in the US, you've had your head up your Democrat.

wm

 

[William Lincoln]

Bottom line is that, in the end, the Ruger Old Army might
be the best of the antique style pistols you will legally be
allowed to own--and registered of course. Of course,
first they have to get around the 2nd Amendment--which
the opposition seems to expect to take care of, by being sure to "install" a new Constitution, a Gift from our new leadership in Washington that will be cloned from the Chinese CCP Constitution. That is their plan.

 

[Bad Karma]

When defining a replica there is some wiggle room as to how close a copy you need. It was designed around the Blackhawk which was based upon the Remington Beals. They are close. At a distance they look alike. Like every other word there is always some flexibility. It is definitely a Simulation. It sure doesn't copy a Glock Also, some ROA are very close-- the models vary. Most State's look to the antique ignition system which is percussion. Most major Cowboy action and Competition shooting associations admit the ROA on the same basis as other percussion black powder replicas of the old west era. While I no longer have the ROA I do have a side by side that I once made that I will upload for you. Makes the point.View attachment 81043

The Blackhawk was probably based almost exactly on the Colt Single Action Army. Dimensionally it’s slightly stouter as would be expected in an effort to make a magnum capable, adjustable sighted SAA. Old Armies do slightly resemble the Remington, with features of the R&S tossed in. It’s really not a replica at all strictly speaking. Any more than the Blackhawk is.

I just don't see many guys spending a Grand for a cap-n-ball pistol, Ruger or not.

I do. Week in and week out on Gunbroker probably one or two a week. If you consider the sales in pawnshops, lgs’s, armslist, guns international, and the fact that this is a revolver which is long out of print I’d say sales are rather brisk.

Huh! Look at this, the Old Army is a copy of the Colts Dragoon!

 

[William Lincoln]

ROA remains the percussion revolver to have. It is stouter than
traditional revolver due to the investment casting build, to
provide the strength. We should celebrate and keep known
the fact that this gun was based upon(according to Bill Ruger)
the "OLD ARMY" type percussion revolvers. For legal reasons,
down the road as handguns are made illegal, maybe our kids
and grand kids will be allowed to keep a ROA. In France, they
outlawed the ROA unless on a certificate. Yet you can own the
NMA Remington as an exempt replica. The ROA is a close
simulation of the Old Western percussion revolvers. NOT AN
ENTIRELY NEW CREATION.

 

[Erwan]

In France, they
outlawed the ROA unless on a certificate. Yet you can own the
NMA Remington as an exempt replica.

That's exactly right.

Replicas that fire black powder have been classified as collectibles since they first appeared. But, since the year 2000, those that are not exact reproductions, are not considered collectible.
Ultimately, a replica that does not conform to the original is not classified as D2. It is classified as C (declaration only) if it is a long gun, or B (authorization) if it is a handgun.
The ROA is not exactly a reproduction of an old one (before the year 1900) is now necessarily classified in category B thus with request for authorization only because it is a handgun manufactured after the year 1900...
The Remington NMA like the original BUT with adjustable sights is also in category B and the reason of this is only: increased danger with the "adjustable sights" ........ but without these sights you can get it freely and without any authorization...

 

[William Lincoln]

We always owe a debt to France who helped the
Patriots with money and arms in the war for
independence against the King of England.
France is a key friend and part of America's History.

 

[11th corps]

We always owe a debt to France who helped the
Patriots with money and arms in the war for
independence against the King of England.
France is a key friend and part of America's History.

That debt was paid in blood. WW2.

 

[hrt4me]

no disrespect intended toward any members nor visitors, but I am not sure why we are hashing out French firearms laws when the vast majority of users here are presumably on the American continent...?

 

[Erwan]

I am not sure why we are hashing out French firearms laws when the vast majority of users here are presumably on the American continent...?

We don't talk about French laws but we exchange on what is practiced and not practiced elsewhere and why, it is as much part of the basic culture of an American and a French of average education even if this education is sometimes very average ......
Knowing a little, even a very little, about the world around you can be beneficial for your reasoning....
Zonie is doing his job perfectly, you know, and if we are not in the right direction, he knows very well what to do...

 

[appalichian hunter]

Interesting posts the last few but I can see where issues of the European restrictions on all firearms should be of interest especially with all that's going on now in this country. Lessons too be watched there. Strange the comment about adjustable sites on the Remington NMA just goes too show how little the law makers really know, perhaps just another excuse too slowly close the loop holes on all weapon ownership.

 

[Erwan]

To talk about everything that happens in this country would be political, but that is not what I am talking about. We only talk about what can happen anywhere...
William Lincoln knows what's going on in America in terms of armaments and I know what's going to happen in France: it's just food for thought, more an exchange of information than anything else...
What happened during the Revolutionary War and the last World War has no place in this conversation: we are all old enough (I was born very shortly after that war) to know, and that is really not the proposition of this exchange of information on arms...

perhaps just another excuse too slowly close the loop holes on all weapon ownership.

Here you maybe see something, I think...

Have a nice day.

 

[hrt4me]

I am well-traveled, particularly throughout western Europe and have visited France a few times

We don't talk about French laws but we exchange on what is practiced and not practiced elsewhere and why, it is as much part of the basic culture of an American and a French of average education even if this education is sometimes very average ......
Knowing a little, even a very little, about the world around you can be beneficial for your reasoning....
Zonie is doing his job perfectly, you know, and if we are not in the right direction, he knows very well what to do...

I am well-traveled, particularly throughout western Europe, and I have even visited France a few times, so I do know just a very little about the world around... cheers! ;-)

 

[OldMaineWoodsman]

I rather enjoy reading posts and observations from our friends around the world.

 

[bisleyjohn]

I rather enjoy reading posts and observations from our friends around the world.

That’s why I joined. i love my Rugers, not (yet) banned here in the UK.

 

[ZUG]

We here in America are in troubled times these days. Information from other countries are always welcome - knowledge is king and to be informed is not living in the dark ages like a turtle

 

[Zonie]

While discussing forign laws is interesting IMO it really has almost no place in this thread.
This thread for those who forgot is about the Ruger Old Army pistol. Please keep your remarks everyone, on topic.

 

[springfield art]

The Blackhawk was probably based almost exactly on the Colt Single Action Army. Dimensionally it’s slightly stouter as would be expected in an effort to make a magnum capable, adjustable sighted SAA. Old Armies do slightly resemble the Remington, with features of the R&S tossed in. It’s really not a replica at all strictly speaking. Any more than the Blackhawk is.


I do. Week in and week out on Gunbroker probably one or two a week. If you consider the sales in pawnshops, lgs’s, armslist, guns international, and the fact that this is a revolver which is long out of print I’d say sales are rather brisk.

Huh! Look at this, the Old Army is a copy of the Colts Dragoon!

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The ROA is closer to the Rogers & Spencer. The Dragoon is almost 5 pounds and almost impossible to heft or holster. I've have/had both; unloaded the Dragoon ASAP.