This is a Swedish gun!!

[arilar]

On request. Its straight-rifled, caliber .720 with 38" barrel. Made 1795. Chris, this one is a little bit more "fancy" than usual.

After the last days of discussion I am so confused Dont know if I dare to call this a rifle or smoothbore, percussion or former flintlock :rotf:
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[Stophel]

It's a "straight rifled gun"....that's it. :winking:

Very attractive! The carving behind the cheek is a much-elaborated version of the simple scroll that you usually see.

Is that a red colored varnish I see?????

 

[spitfire]

Straight rifled flintlock conversion to percussion-Wow a mouthful :winking: !Nice gun and I like the tastful lines and carvings.A well conceived piece.Thanks for posting :applause: !

 

[arilar]

Is that a red colored varnish I see?????

How do you see the difference between varnish and staining? I think staining And wood? Ash??
On lockplate you see "ÖREBRO GEVÄRSFACTORIE ÅR 1795",meaning that its made at Örebro weaponfactory the year 1795. This factory was established by Swedish government 1620 and sold to private owner (Göran Ehrenpreuss) 1795. He incorporated it to his Jönköping-Husqvarna factory (already into private hands, Fredrik Ehrenpreuss 1757).
I would appreciate comments on style and influences. Many times older styles were used because the factories were not "updated". Here are some close-pictures.

ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[arilar]

And some more pics:

Regards,
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[philo426]

Looks like an above average rifle!I bet you paid a good amount for it!

 

[Stophel]

It has the appearance of having a red "violin" varnish. In the unhandled areas, the surface looks quite red, whereas on the sharp edges and areas where it was handled more, there is no red. If it is a red varnish, it would certainly not surprise me. It is not uncommonly seen on German arms and, of course, is found on American guns from Berks and Lehigh counties.

The somewhat curved stock emulates French style, and this form of triggerguard is also seen on Russian guns (which, given the totalitarian Czarist regime in charge at the time, are not surprisingly far more uncommon!).

 

[spitfire]

Wow :applause: !Thanks for posting the closeups!

 

[arilar]

It has the appearance of having a red "violin" varnish. In the unhandled areas, the surface looks quite red, whereas on the sharp edges and areas where it was handled more, there is no red. If it is a red varnish, it would certainly not surprise me. It is not uncommonly seen on German arms and, of course, is found on American guns from Berks and Lehigh counties.

The somewhat curved stock emulates French style, and this form of triggerguard is also seen on Russian guns (which, given the totalitarian Czarist regime in charge at the time, are not surprisingly far more uncommon!).

´Feeling a bit stupid. Sitting here with the gun in my lap and cant decide if varnish or straining is the case! :shocked2: :rotf: Think I go for varnish :hmm: Russian style triggerguard! Has to go through my Russian books and see what I may found.
Pyrodex, I am ashamed of how little this kind of rifles is valued in my country. everybody wants military issued models or signed flintlockguns (converted dont counts :rotf: ).
Spitfire, I have, 50 years old, recently got my first digital camera and is excited :youcrazy: . Hope I dont post to much pics to often :yakyak:
Regards,
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[Stophel]

The Russian guards will often have another little loopy thing at the rear end of the guard, and frankly, are not nearly as attractive as this one is, but they will follow a similar form. I believe the design went from West to East. I think German guns from Pommern (pomerania-the NE coast area) also have similar guards.

 

[arilar]

The Russian guards will often have another little loopy thing at the rear end of the guard, and frankly, are not nearly as attractive as this one is, but they will follow a similar form. I believe the design went from West to East. I think German guns from Pommern (pomerania-the NE coast area) also have similar guards.

Amazing!! :shocked2:
At this picture you see my gun in front of a page (108) from "Fine Arms from Tula" showing a flint-lock blunderbuss made in Tula 1785,

Regards,
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:

 

[renovato]

Arilar, thanks for the pics. That gun has some of the most appealing carving and engraving that I've seen. Very tasteful, yet exotic at the same time.

 

[dyemaker]

I like this gun alot but I'm somewhat confused. Would a straight rifled gun like this be considered a shotgun? It does not appear to be a boar rifle because it seems too long for that. It has an octagonal to round barrel too. Very interesting regardless of it's use. How well do straight rifled guns shoot anyway? please clarify.

 

[dyemaker]

Ahh nevermind, I am assuming this is a straight rifled fowler and maybe an improvement in shot patterns. Roundalls would need patched and it throws knuckleballs instead of curveballs from what I read. More or less an improved fowler. How much improvement I don't know.

 

[curator]

Many early European guns were straight rifled. The original purpose for rifling was more reloads without cleaning away the fouling. The ball simply packed the fouling into the grooves. Twisted rifling allowed longer grooves in the same length barrel and more area for fouling to collect. It was accidently discovered that spinning the ball made for more accurate shooting.

 

[dyemaker]

I think I have read this explaination before. maybe I had forgotten or it passed me by. It makes perfect sense to me now but if it was intended as a straight rifled musket for military use, it wouldn't make much sense to me because of the extra step of patching the balls. I'm still confused as to what it was used for.
:idunno: Most logical to me is a shotgun for small game.

Why is it that short boar rifles were often straight rifled? Just how many times would one need to reload?

 

[George]

Many early European guns were straight rifled. The original purpose for rifling was more reloads without cleaning away the fouling. The ball simply packed the fouling into the grooves. Twisted rifling allowed longer grooves in the same length barrel and more area for fouling to collect. It was accidently discovered that spinning the ball made for more accurate shooting.

This explanation has been a common one for many years within the hobby, but I think it is untrue, that it's another one of those modern armchair solutions , totally derived from some old graybeard's imagination. In his book, An Essay on Shooting, 1789, Wm. Cleator explicitly states that rifling, both straight and spiral, was originally an attempt to prevent muskets shooting curved balls because of spin induced as the balls contacted the sides of the bore. As far as the relationship between rifling and fouling is concerned, he says, "They are also more difficultly kept clean;".

It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find a straight-rifled gun in Scandinavia in late 18th century, would it?

Spence

 

[Rifleman1776]

Hope I dont post to much pics to often

It is not possible to post too many pictures here. This post is great. We love seeing guns we might not have the opportunity to view very often. We love the pictures keep them coming please.
By the way, what is the little device behind the hammer? Is it a type of 'safey' locking device? If so the catch must be internal. I have seen some that lock into a notch on the hammer but never internal. Interesting whatever it is.

 

[Magua]

Thanks for sharing the pics.

 

[dyemaker]

I forgot to mention this thread is 5 years old but thanks for the pictures also. I've noticed Scandinavian guns often have straight buttstocks with little drop. This is an exception it seems. :thumbsup: