Thought I'd seen it all......

[bioprof]

Saw something today in a Cabela's catalog that I never imagined before. It was a conversion kit so that you could use regular no. 11 primers in a rifle that uses 209 primers. They state that in some rifles you can get less fouling and better accuracy with regular percussion caps. Hmmmmmm........ :hmm:

 

[Slowpoke]

They I got that same catalog in the mail a couple days ago. They're always coming up with something new to catch the eye of the consumer. Another example is the air-rifle/shotgun :shocked2: Never seen a airgun that shoots 9 pellets out of cup.

 

[jtmattison]

Saw something today in a Cabela's catalog that I never imagined before. It was a conversion kit so that you could use regular no. 11 primers in a rifle that uses 209 primers. They state that in some rifles you can get less fouling and better accuracy with regular percussion caps. Hmmmmmm........ :hmm:

:rotf: Pretty funny since those very rifles started out using caps and went to 209's because they said 209's gave more reliable ignition.

I wish they would make up their mind.

HD

 

[renovato]

They keep trying to improve on them using modern technology, smokeless powders, new ignition types and all, but none of it works any better. They knew what they were doing centuries ago and we're still reaping the rewards to this day.

 

[tom hargrove]

new and improved??? :bull: think ill just stay with my old flinter :rotf:

 

[bioprof]

Maybe I should invent a conversion kit to convert an inline into a flintlock to gain more accuracy and reliability. :rotf: Seems like a natural progression. :grin:

 

[spitfire]

Must be a typo! :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:

 

[bioprof]

I was talking to a coworker today, and he suggested another explanation for this conversion that makes a lot more sense. He said that some states don't allow the use of 209 primers in muzzleloaders. So if you want to use a modern muzzleloader that takes 209 primers, you have to convert it back to regular percussion caps.

 

[oldmaster]

Well. I guess I'd better stock up on caps. All those inline shooters will be buying them up.I think the natural progression from here would be to make a conversion kit to take the 209 primer guns and convert them to fire centerfire, smokeless cartridges. Let them move up into the modern era. :rotf:

 

[sidelock]

I think you are on to something there.---- Do you need some help in the patten process???? I can't help much but I'll do all I can. :v :v :v

 

[faw3]

I could be all wrong on this maybe it's state law only but the Feds were thinking and I thought passed a deal about treating guns that use mod read as 209 primer's as a reg rifle??? Fred :hatsoff:

 

In-line flinters aren't new - and neither are coil springs.......
this is a Tortoise-shell veneered stock with with silver inlay, bolt action ,enclosed flint lock. made in rRgensburg or Prague circa 1715-21 by Paczelt
OAL. 54 1/2 ", Barrels 31 1/2", 22 gage No.#13/589, Bayerisches National Museam, Munich

Here is a copy of a schematic for a single barrel version of the above - notice it uses a coil spring to fire the flint forward

thanks to Captchee.........

 

[Pork Chop]

Good Heavens Man!! Do you realize what you have done?? You have given both the coil spring guys and the inline guys some lineage that they can point to for their guns being PC!! :rotf:

All kidding aside, that is one purdy piece!

 

[flintlockmdj]

10-4 :grin:

 

Got the Cabela's Fall Catalog, too. 2 images of Hawken-Style muzzleloaders (1 cap, 1 flint) 37 images of the I***** variaty.

Guess where the grease comes from...

Never EVER sell one of your true ML's, you might not be able to get another one in a few years (unless you can afford custom stuff).

 

[renovato]

They I got that same catalog in the mail a couple days ago. They're always coming up with something new to catch the eye of the consumer. Another example is the air-rifle/shotgun :shocked2: Never seen a airgun that shoots 9 pellets out of cup.

Slowpoke, I haven't seen that airgun before. Was it one of those airsoft things, or a real airgun? I remember Crosman making a "shotgun" back in the '70's that used a plastic shell filled with shot. I've always been curious about it, but have never encountered one.

 

[tg]

"In-line flinters aren't new - and neither are coil springs'

If the manufacturs would have followed those early dsigns and geared to the PRB and original styling the in-line crowd and the traditional crowd would be one in the same.trying to bring a ML up to modern rifle performance is the crux of the problem, and this is also done with somewhat original styled guns, which was not the point of ML hunting seasons.

 

[Stumpkiller]

Saw something today in a Cabela's catalog that I never imagined before.

Further proof that just because something can be patented and may even work does not prove that it is a good idea. :rotf:

Think about it. Everything necessary to shoot and enjoy a muzzleloader was being made 250 years ago and the rest is just marketing gimmicks. :winking:

 

[Mad Professor]

I could be all wrong on this maybe it's state law only but the Feds were thinking and I thought passed a deal about treating guns that use mod read as 209 primer's as a reg rifle??? Fred :hatsoff:

That is the case here in mASSachusetts. Put a 209 cap on a percussion gun and now you need the paperwork/permit for a "firearm". Anything pre-1900 or replica thereof you don't.

This includes cartridge guns if "the ammunition is not readily available". Which makes me wonder if any of these used 209 type primers and how you would interpet the law......

 

My point wasn't to give fuel to the "modern" inlines (which I dislike with a passion, but mostly due to the "reasons", one of which tg noted, being used to tout them over "traditional" styles and not so much for what they are), but rather to show that there really isn't all that much new under the sun - heck if somebody made an inline like those I pictured above I'd be "in line" :grin: to buy one myself........hope that clears my stand up......