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Thoughts on a .45 caliber Kentucky for deer hunting

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Chazz11B

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I've found a CVA Kentucky that hasn't been fired yet or even stained for a good price. Being able to choose the stain I want with out removing another appeals to me some as well. I've also got a line on a .54 caliber Lyman for good price as well.

I'm asking this because after going over some of the other threads trying to answer some questions my self. I read where Someone mentioned that spending a ton of cash on something I may end up hating may not be the best idea. That makes sense to me especially right before the holidays.

Is a .45 limited by range, accuracy, etc. etc. I'm just not wanting to buy the .45 Kentucky for "romantic" reasons and run into pitfalls due to my lack of experience aka ignorance. That gun always "spoke" to me per se when I saw one. More so than the other BP rifles.

This is probably the hardest most pain in the butt question I've asked yet. Bare with me please.

Chazz
 
:thumbsup: It will work just fine.I shot my first muzzle loader deer with a .45 cal. and a PRB back in 1977.
 
The .45 shooting a patched roundball will be fine for taking a deer.

There is some difference in opinion about shooting a deer with a .45 at various ranges and I have mine.

IMO, the .45 will be good out to 80 yards.
In the 80-110 yard range I think the .50's would be a better choice. (Roundballs lose quite a bit of their velocity and the heavier .50 will have more power in the longer ranges.)

The accuracy of a .45 is great, once the right ball/patch/powder load is found. Finding it does take a bit of shooting because all muzzleloading rifles each have their own favorite load.
What works in Bills gun won't necessary be the best load for Bob's gun.

If you get the .45, remember, the ball must be smaller than the bore to allow for the thickness of the cloth patch.
Your .45 would use a .440 diameter lead ball.
Try a .150 thick cotton patch with it and it should work great.
(This combination of ball and patch will need a short starter (a wooden ball with a short dowel sticking out the side), or a plastic mallet to get it started into the muzzle.
Once started, the ramrod will be able to push it down the bore.

If you get the unfinished CVA (or the Traditions equivalent), the stock is made out of Beech wood.

It's a fine grained hard wood that makes a good gunstock but it doesn't accept a oil based stain well.
If you get a water based or alcohol based wood stain it will stain nicely.

The Birchwood Casey Walnut stain can make the Beech wood a nice rich dark color.
 
The 45 will work well out to 75 yards with patched round ball, or 125 yards with a hollow based mini.I personally shot a mini right through a large doe dropping her on the spot and crippled a yearling behind her that I did not see until she dropped. I had my wood pile as a steady rest and the deer were on the opposite side of my pasture which was 120 yards wide. But that was when my eyes were much better. I would never attempt that long of a shot now. :idunno:
 
Opps! :redface: :redface:

Yes. .015 thick as in fifteen thousandths of an inch thick patch. :redface:

Where is that "brown bag over my head", Smilie when I need it?
 
HEY try 440round ball 15 thousand patch and 70grains of2f goex that's will down a deer out to 75 yards with ease
 
Thanks for all the input fellas. The Staining advice was a nice bonus. Didn't even think about that just yet. That could get a little sideways... I'll have pics up as soon as she gets here. I think I'll name her Sarah after my great grandma (who was GREAT!). Carried my grandma around on her back during the depression shooting birds to feed them while my grandfather was out looking for work.

I really don't want to make a new post for an ammo question. What brand and or where would you buy minnie balls, patches, powder horn, and powder (a starter kit for that matter) from for a .45 cal? Later down the line if I don't end up favoring BP rifles I'll make my own ammo. That definitely appeals to the purist in me. But when I'm sober the voices in my head say "baby steps" when it comes to learning. Not that drunken "adventures" aren't fun at times. They were more fun 10 or 15 years ago anyway... And being the father of a 3 year old at 45 with a wife in college fulltime and working fulltime I don't have the or want to be melting lead down with a little one at my feet.

I'll look at the forum trading post aka classifieds to see if there's a "local" guy per se to buy from. I'd much rather buy from a small business owner. but if you fellas know of someone off hand that would be great.

Last but no least thanks for down to earth about me not buying a 1000.00+ piece right from the start. I was worried about getting snubbed or razzed over that. Don't get me wrong I'll be looking over one of the MUCH nicer ones if I end up liking this BP rifle hunting "Scene". I'm done rambling due to being excited. Thanks again fellas! Outstanding group you have here.
 
If there is a Bass Pro Shop near you, they carry Goex blackpowder. They are a little pricy but you can buy just one pound . If you want larger quantities check with Grafs or other sites to order online.
Bass Pro should have caps too. Maybe even round balls.

There are recipes here on the forum to make your own grease type lubes.

Buy a yard of ticking at the local fabric store to cut your own patches for cheap. Just make sure it is 100% natural material.

You can get everything else you need at Track of the Wolf or other online suppliers.
 
My 1st cousin has taken NUMEROUS Texas WTs with a .40 caliber SMR & without losing a single deer. - He would tell you that a "Forty-Five is more than enough out to 100M plus, with a REAL bullet & 80M with PRB."
(Randy is a MUCH better shot than I will ever be.)

yours, satx
 
I have been purchasing supplies from Buffalo Arms. The owner Dave has been a lot of help. Their website is very easy to navigate. I find track of the wolf a harder website to get around.

Kirk
 
chazz11B said:
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I really don't want to make a new post for an ammo question. What brand and or where would you buy minnie balls, patches, powder horn, and powder (a starter kit for that matter) from for a .45 cal?...
Speaking of ammo let me begin by saying that using real black powder will give your gun faster, more reliable ignition.
That said, because the rifle is a percussion style which uses caps to fire it, it can use any of the modern synthetic black powder substitutes like Pyrodex, 777 or one of the others.
Typically, they produce less fouling but they also often have a slight hesitation before firing.

Real black powder cannot be placed on the shelf at a gun store because the Federal laws mandate that store owners must keep it under lock and key.
You will have to ask the store manager if they have it.
This is not true with the BP substitutes. They may be placed on the shelf along with other powders.
Speaking of other powders, NEVER try to use ANY smokeless powder of any kind. Doing so can cause your gun to blow up.

Last but no least thanks for down to earth about me not buying a 1000.00+ piece right from the start. I was worried about getting snubbed or razzed over that. Don't get me wrong I'll be looking over one of the MUCH nicer ones if I end up liking this BP rifle hunting "Scene".
No problem.
Everyone has to start somewhere and buying one of the inexpensive guns makes more sense.

About the things you will need:

A .45 caliber cleaning jag. (a cylindrical, grooved tip that is screwed onto a cleaning or ram rod.
It is used along with a cleaning patch to clean the bore. Some folks including me often use it on a ram rod to ram the patched ball down the barrel.

A adjustable powder measure is needed to measure the powder charge. Get one that can measure from 0 to 100 grains (or more). That will be good for any powder load you will ever shoot.

Patches are needed for shooting roundballs.
They must be either 100% cotton or linen.
They must be a tight weave and should be at least .012 thick.
Many use the blue and white striped "pillow ticking" sold at WalMart.

Factory made patches are fine too but I don't recommend using the "pre-lubricated" ones.
They are great if they are new but if they have sit on a shelf in the store for a year, the lube will break down the fabric and cause it to blow apart when the gun is fired.
Blowing apart will cause the guns accuracy to go from a 2 inch group at 50 yards to a 2 foot group at that range.

A patch lube is needed. Store bought brands like Bore Butter work but so do home made lubes.
These can range from a cheap vegetable oil to complex mixtures of alcohol, Oil Soap, Caster Oil and water. You'll find hundreds of them here.

Buying a Patch Screw or Worm that fits a .45 cal. bore can be a handy thing to have. It's used to fish out cloth patches that might have slipped off of the cleaning jag.

A "ball screw" is a tip that can be screwed onto a ramrod. It is used to extract a loaded ball from the bore.

A Nipple wrench or a 1/4" open end wrench is needed to remove the nipple from the gun.
This is necessary whenever you clean the gun (which must be done any time the gun is fired).

You can buy all of these things at Track of the Wolf (TOTW).
https://www.trackofthewolf.com/list/category.aspx/632

Cloth patches with the ball placed in the middle of them are used to grab the rifling when shooting round balls.

Bullets of any kind are not loaded with a patch. Rather, they are greased and loaded bare, in the bore.

Roundballs are fairly inexpensive and with the right patch and powder load they are very accurate out to 100 yards and beyond.

Bullets or slugs are rather expensive and they must fit closely in the bore if they are going to shoot accurately.
There are different styles and weights and while one or two might be accurate, many of them won't be. The only way to find out which style and weight works best is to try several different ones.
 
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Zoni ( as always!) is spot on with his advise! I have had great results with the .45's that I own for deer hunting Iowa Whitetail, coyotes, and tree rats! I have used TC's and my more expensive custom longrifles. They ALL hold a special place in my heart and I am just as thrilled to hunt with a CVA as any gun I own. In fact, my CVA Mountain Rifle put meat in the freezer for me just last year. Good luck and have fun!! Greg. :)
 
I have only one reservation about taking a deer with a 45. I don't own one, so taking a deer would mean spending money to pull it off. :wink:

I've always wanted a 45 specifically for deer hunting, but just haven't got around to it yet. Must fix.
 
Indeed. ALL the advice given from the others is helpful appreciated mind you. That said he's a mod for a good reason. More help than a cane to a one legged man.

Got her ordered and the fella threw in a powder horn! Said it's in great shape and looks cool. And that they don't really sell that kind of thing (they sell mostly guns) and offered to throw it in. One less thing on the list and probably one of the most expensive.

I am super stoked about getting started and thankful for the good advice. And relieved I didn't spur a pissing contest about this vs that and what not with any of my questions. That's a good sign of this being a level headed community for as active as it is. That only instills more trust/confidence/enjoyment for and from newbies like my self in getting started in BP rifle hunting.

Cheers y'all! And pictures coming soon!
 
I don't know if you're looking for a Kentucky But I found a ton that we're very well priced. I've been bird dogging one for a while now. Only started serious for the past couple of weeks.

I found mine with bore shiny like a mirror, not even stained yet, the rest of gun is in as good a shape for 195.00. Others I've found in worse shape for 100.00+ and more.

Give me a price range and style I'll bird dog one for you. Be my way of contributing per se back to the community. Plus I have a feeling I'll be looking for a larger caliber and "nicer" one with a tiger maple stock soon. I've always wanted an 1861 too. ;) Not like I wont already be on that "game trail".

Can anyone recommend a BP rifle anonymous group? Hello my name is Chazz and I'm an addict...
 
chazz11B said:
I don't know if you're looking for a Kentucky But I found a ton that we're very well priced. I've been bird dogging one for a while now. Only started serious for the past couple of weeks.

Actually I'm further along than I let on. I'm having a GRRW Leman Squirrel Rifle built, and it's time to pick a caliber. I'd been leaning toward a 40 simply because I don't have that caliber in the rack, just as I don't have a 45. I have no qualms about using reduced loads in a 45 for small game, and bonus points to the 45 over the 40 in my mind for deer too.

Still a little bit of a conundrum, but this discussion has me leaning more toward the 45. Thanks, I think! :hatsoff:
 
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