This year T/C is supposed to be producing USA made guns again back in NH. I did a google search and it "hinted" that among the new/old offerings will be the Hawken. I'm excited about that. I wonder if they will produce the exact same rifle or make some changes to it...My bet is if there is any change, it will probably be the sticker price.
Thoughts on T/C back in action
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I'm Hoping the T/C Hawken, if it comes back will be priced to compete with Italian imports. If its not then, My money will definitely go to Ohio for a New Hawken variant.
longcruise
70 Cal.
What were the nature of those "hints"? If only hinted it almost seems like fishing for marketing possibilities.
So far, nothing more than wishful thinking is backing up that TC will do anything other than single shot cartridge rifles, bolt rifles, and encore handguns.
Although I really like the Hawken, I'd suggest they do the New Englander, and include the 12 gauge barrel, giving the market a traditional sidelock "one gun for everything" and allow the shooter to choose .45 or .54.
LD
Although I really like the Hawken, I'd suggest they do the New Englander, and include the 12 gauge barrel, giving the market a traditional sidelock "one gun for everything" and allow the shooter to choose .45 or .54.
LD
Mike in FL
50 Cal.
And the Seneca.
Product support for the existing TC owners, i have 5, all operating, but i would like to upgrade wearing parts, . Hint hint Greg Ritz !
It's all encore platform for now. Seems Smith Wesson had enough parts that they can get a product to market quickly -so new ownership gets some revenue rather than running for months on borrowed money. I'd like to see the sidelock muzleloaders return, but I don't know how they're going to do it at a competitive price with the Spanish imports.
With the states starting to implement primitive seasons, they should mfg. sidelocks, lets go for quality and longevity . right now Pa. has its flintlock season going on then ill head to Maryland for the 3 day primitive season.
West Virginia finishes up their 4 day Mountaineer Heritage season today. Deer, turkey, and bear may be taken with open sighted sidelock guns, recurve bow, or long bow.
If the prices a little more than the Spanish imports, I think guys would still buy them. If it's a FAIR price. I sure would.
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I hate to say it, but I will be very surprised if we see a TC Hawken or any other more traditional sidelock from them anytime in the near future. It is just so much easier and cheaper to gear up to make something with a “plastic” stock and inline ignition.
We can always hope…….
You can hope, but with a dwindling traditional ML market, I would not count on it.
Would you invest $5,000 in TC stock to help the company to further the hope?
How many here are willing to invest their money to see a return of the Hawken or Seneca?
Would you invest $5,000 in TC stock to help the company to further the hope?
How many here are willing to invest their money to see a return of the Hawken or Seneca?
Ditt44
40 Cal
Since we're hoping/dreaming here... I had thought about this and I honestly believe TC will run out some side-locks. If you look at it from the machine and technical side, it's fairly easy to see how technology has improved in the last 15-ish years since they last made them. Look at what Kibler can do with CNC. Imagine TC with far deeper pockets, and given some time to retool. Anyone with the right tools can kill two birds in one swing by swapping breach plugs... cap/flint. One stock. One barrel. Sure, two locks and two plugs. But far easier to produce one pattern and swap two parts.
I would expect the Hawken to be the first off the line and that makes a ton of sense because it is clearly the most recognizable model and the general public has been conditioned to it's 'name' and 'style'. Most people in the general public think of a muzzle loader in two forms... "Hawken" and "Musket/long-rifle". Get outside the niche box of this forum and it's members and think big-picture. It makes total sense to start with the Hawken model. I'm sure there will be some minor tweaks. I would not expect an exact reproduction. Maybe they start out with kits only to save on production costs... I would bet that would be easy money for them initially.
Maybe TC will put out the basic model in one caliber and then rebirth the custom shop for barrels. I would bet most guys would be pleased enough if they just did the custom shop route and made barrels to order. I know I would be thrilled with that as a starting point and would be eager to buy at least two as soon as they were available.
If I had Greg's ear, I would tell him to cover the basics, revive the classics, and offer variations. It is going to take time to get anywhere near what they had at any prior point of high-volume production across multiple models/versions. With a couple base designs, TC could cover a lot of niches.
Perhaps a possible progression starting with the Hawken and slowly rolling out the others? Something like the following gets you 4 stocks designs, 4 barrels designs, 8 caliber choices and gets you from squirrels to Elk
- Hawken .45 and .50
- Seneca .32, .36, .40, .45
- Renegade .50, .54, .58
- PA Hunter Long and Carbine .50
- White Mountain Long and Carbine .50 (I would introduce a long barrel conical version; same barrels as PA Hunter just fast twist).
I would expect the Hawken to be the first off the line and that makes a ton of sense because it is clearly the most recognizable model and the general public has been conditioned to it's 'name' and 'style'. Most people in the general public think of a muzzle loader in two forms... "Hawken" and "Musket/long-rifle". Get outside the niche box of this forum and it's members and think big-picture. It makes total sense to start with the Hawken model. I'm sure there will be some minor tweaks. I would not expect an exact reproduction. Maybe they start out with kits only to save on production costs... I would bet that would be easy money for them initially.
Maybe TC will put out the basic model in one caliber and then rebirth the custom shop for barrels. I would bet most guys would be pleased enough if they just did the custom shop route and made barrels to order. I know I would be thrilled with that as a starting point and would be eager to buy at least two as soon as they were available.
If I had Greg's ear, I would tell him to cover the basics, revive the classics, and offer variations. It is going to take time to get anywhere near what they had at any prior point of high-volume production across multiple models/versions. With a couple base designs, TC could cover a lot of niches.
Perhaps a possible progression starting with the Hawken and slowly rolling out the others? Something like the following gets you 4 stocks designs, 4 barrels designs, 8 caliber choices and gets you from squirrels to Elk
- Hawken .45 and .50
- Seneca .32, .36, .40, .45
- Renegade .50, .54, .58
- PA Hunter Long and Carbine .50
- White Mountain Long and Carbine .50 (I would introduce a long barrel conical version; same barrels as PA Hunter just fast twist).
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