time machine

[JimCunn]

"We have a time machine now, at least one that can look back in time its called the Hubble telescope"

And the James Webb which looks even further back.

 

[Youngblood]

Dont buy into all the hype on those space telecopes. NASA admits to artistically photoshopping the pics and making up all the color schemes. And i love when they have a detailed show on some planet they see out there but when u see the actual image its a just a little gray square pixel.

 

[B P Arn]

Dont buy into all the hype on those space telecopes. NASA admits to artistically photoshopping the pics and making up all the color schemes. And i love when they have a detailed show on some planet they see out there but when u see the actual image its a just a little gray square pixel.

Exactly. Then these BS'ers, I mean scientists, tell everyone how the planet was formed, how old it is, its chemical makeup, whether there is life on it (there isn't) and then provide an artist's rendering of it. All that from a little dot. "Follow the science"! LOL.

More like "follow the science fiction".

 

[Eutycus]

Speaking of making up something, How did they know what color a dinosaur was?

 

[JimCunn]

Speaking of making up something, How did they know what color a dinosaur was?

They were various colors. In some cases it isn't known. In others, chromophores were preserved in the fossils. In the case of Microraptor, a melanosome pigment was preserved that indicates that it had a blue-black color.

Also, since birds are dinosaurs that didn't go extinct, you can look at them to get an example of the range of available colours.

And I am sure that you guys all realise that many of these telescopes are recording parts of the electromagnetic spectrum that are not visible to the human eye. In order to see those frequencies in a photograph, you have to shift the frequency to something that is visible. The frequency shifts chosen are not random. For example, oxygen is often shown as shades of green, and hydrogen as red. The photos are coded to provide useful information to those who know what they are looking at.

 

[CaptainVane]

Makes you wonder how many of them "folks" from 200 years ago would take a trip into the future and enjoy our modern conveniences.

Every dam one of them. “I wish my life was harder” said no one ever. What we think were simpler times, weren’t.
You had to keep the wife pregnant pumping out 14, 16 kids cause most didnt live to maturity and those that did were needed for raising crops.

 

[B P Arn]

Every dam one of them. “I wish my life was harder” said no one ever. What we think were simpler times, weren’t.

That right there.

 

[Eutycus]

I'm pretty sure the majority would elect to go where things were easier. But would also venture to say there would be a few holdouts who enjoyed life and liked it just fine "back then".

 

[CaptainVane]

I'm pretty sure the majority would elect to go where things were easier. But would also venture to say there would be a few holdouts who enjoyed life and liked it just fine "back then".

No doubt, recently read article in one of my muzzle mags about a modern guy, spent time up in NH, winter, deep snow, outdoors the whole time. Cold and wet to the bone. Wood so wet that couldn’t make a fire to cook or dry. Ate meat raw. He hated/loved it. I wouldn’t. Most wouldn’t. Different kind of guy.

 

[sethwyo]

Nostalgia is well and good, and it's fun to remember some of the good things, but I was born before Pearl Harbor, raised on a subsistence farm, and although we raised and gathered enough food so we always had something to eat, we were poor folks. I remember working hard every day. We raised hogs and chickens, grew vegetables, and gathered whatever fruit and nuts we could find. My mother canned fruit and veggies, plus we had bins of potatoes and onions, barrels of pickles and salt pork, a smokehouse with hams and bacon. Every room in the old farmhouse had kerosene lamps and lanterns for when the power went out. We did have indoor plumbing and water was piped into the house from two natural springs. I remember when my father and a neighbor dug the trench to pipe the second water from the second spring in. They did it by hand. Plowing was done every spring with a mule-drawn plowshare and then disked the same way. The fields between the house and the dirt road were mowed once a year by men with scythes,
earlier by my father and a neighbor and later by me too.
As a boy, I had my own scythe and sharpening stone, my own double-bit axe -- and my own work shoes. My favorite toy was my Daisy Red Ryder, and later the .22 I inherited from an uncle. My "fishing rod" was a sapling I cut myself until Dad got me a telescoping fly rod one year for my birthday.
We had electricity when it worked, lanterns when it didn't.
Our house was heated by a wood-and-coal burning furnace that had to be fed with a shovel and stoked by hand. We cut, split, and stacked several cords of wood every year for the winter months. The first phone I remember was a wooden box with separate mouth piece and ear piece, both Bakelite, and a crank on the side to get the operator's attention. We didn't have an automobile until I was ten so we walked to town when we needed to go and walked back. There was no television yet, but we had a big old wooden RCA Victor radio on a table in the living room and listened to broadcasts in the evening often.
It was a good, wholesome life but it wasn't easy. I'm very grateful to have had the experience but I wouldn't go back.
I nearly died with whooping cough one year but was saved by the new doctor in town who gave me penicilin.

I do not understand why you feel like you were poor?

 

[sethwyo]

I don't necessarily mind being insulted if the people can take some insults back.

But I really don't like liars.

A member here showed me how to block or ignore,
just some advice , each one of the best things you can do with someone like this

 

[Mike]

I have to admit that they had it harder back then. Do you realize that most people born in the 1940's have passed on? And that even more from the 1920's are no longer alive? And don't even get me started on the 19th century pioneers. All dead now. Life was definitely tougher.

 

[Eutycus]

There were people who loved the solitude. Mountain men are a good example. Or the settler that said "I heard a neighbor's dog barking, its getting too crowded here abouts, it's time to move."

 

[B P Arn]

My mom and dad lived through the Great Depression. They never whined about how great the old days were. Not once.

 

[Eutycus]

My mom and dad lived through the Great Depression. They never whined about how great the old days were. Not once.

Generations back weren't big whiners. Our generation maybe a little. But the next and then the next, sad to say "yup", they'd let you know in a heartbeat if something didn't go their way.

 

[Wawyasto]

Choose carefully.

Most of us here would have died before the age of 10 from illnesses we treat today with OTC medications or worse stop by the urgent care for an antibiotic on our way to work.

 

[sethwyo]

A lot of the medications and medical treatments that exist today were not even needed back in those days.

And a lot of us would not have suffered from so many things back then that we do suffer from today.

No cars, cell phones, fluoride, canola oil or democrats
They say thars somewhere around 10 people under the age of 18 who die every 24 hours because they were texting while driving and that doesn't include the number of May meanings and cripplings.

 

[springfield art]

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How many would give up all the things we have in this century and go back to around 1800 or so ,
somewhere thereabouts,
to stand in line and put our x in the ledger and shake Fremonts hand and with one hand and receive our rifle and kit with the other,
to give up electricity ,clean running water, toilets, our highways , our vehicles , all the food we get from the grocery stores, medical Care.

No more City council Members , no more county commissioners , no more TV,
no more monthly bills, no more politicians, no more political arguments,
No more traffic to navigate to go get food, no more fat mouths and liars.

Collecting and shooting antique and antique style muzzleloaders are a bit of an escape from the insane world we live in today.

But there are accounts of people who , while out one evening driving on the highway or out for a walk went through some fog and emerged in a different century, when the fog lifted they were returned to modern times.

There's an enormous number of missing people in this country and in the world,
it's likely that a lot of these people have tragically met with a bad end,
But I wonder if some of them went back in time, realized what had happened , Kept their cool, and just decided to avoid the fog and stay there instead of coming back to this place the rest of us hafto live in

Foul water killed millions; cholera, etc. Those against immunizations should admire the guy who realized milk maids never got smallpox, and "invented" smallpox immunization; Washington's troops at Valley Forge were all immunized (with the old-timey method!) and that may have saved the Army to fight another day.

 

[Ponderosaman]

Like astronauts that advocate a one way trip to Mars, I would have to seriously consider a trip to the past. I believe there is a higher plane of existence where that is probably possible, but not within the confines of our current meat jackets.

I like my meat jacket and won’t purposely pull a Heaven’s Gate type journey. Science says time travel is possible through an Einstein Rosen Bridge though that is not possible with today’s technology. That said, all the paradoxes that everyone is so worried about, like killing your grandfather are not real paradoxes i.e. the timeline would fix itself. Then there’s the Low Men in Yellow Jackets, who are a fictional time police (Stephen King) who are absolutely not to be messed with and give me the chills just considering that they might be real. By the way any Kennedy assassination buffs should definitely read 11/22/63. Lastly, but not lastly, my lovely wife would need to come along and that is less possible than the Einstein Rosen bridge. So I’m afraid I can’t time travel or ride motorcycles.

If I was still single or with my ex though, I would go in a heartbeat, especially if I could have my current knowledge. I think it would be relatively easy to make a quick buck with 21st century knowledge, so that would take care of the dying of starvation issue, but the dying of disease issue would be much harder to avoid, though today’s knowledge could benefit a person in that regard too.

 

[TNGhost]

My mom and dad lived through the Great Depression. They never whined about how great the old days were. Not once.

Ditto here, but society is cyclical. You know the oft repeated philosophy of “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times.” I would have to argue that the nearest "sweet spot" for our country were the years post WW2 up to the turn of the century, after which socialist authoritarianism starts to encroach and take the shine off of many technological and medical advances.

Life expectancies and quality of medical care has actually gone down for the majority in the years beyond 2009. Where we were once world leaders in life expectancy, we are now 7 years behind Europe and over 500.000 and up to 1.2 million of us die due to malfeasance in the medical "industry", likely more than died from lack of technology/learning in the post war years.