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RedFeather

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Saw one today for not a lot:

Full stock with about a 15/16th 28" barrel in what they think is .43 (per miking). Bore pretty clean but did have some rust spots about the size of a red spider mite. Broken ramrod - the ferrule on the end was corroded. Full stock with kind of ill-fitting brass buttplate, toe cap and a couple home made inlays. Had a kind of cute patchbox. Was a figure-8 on its side with a pin in the middle. You rotated it downwards to reveal two holes, one larger than the other (to match the 8.) To close, just slip it backup where it comes to rest against a small round headed brass pin. Single brass trigger in a rounded brass guard that was not that well inletted. The barrel was browned and stamped on one flat with a "10", as was the stock in four or five random places, same stamp. (Guess he liked the number ten?) Old percussion sidelock with two line legend mostly obscured, bottom line reading "..lbany". Take it the lock is from Albany, NY. Had a little floral engraving as did the hammer. Wood around the lock was either shrunken with age or just poorly inletted. The leading edge of the lock mortisee was cracked and a bit opened like it was end grain. All that's maybe fixable. Worst thing about it that put me off was the drum and hammer. Looked like the owner had put in a new, white nipple but it was cocked slightly to the right. As a result, the hammer didn't hit squarely, but I'm assuming it would do the job. Real (to me) trouble was the hammer face was pretty corroded inside and looked to be getting thin, with one side a bit uneven. Yeah, I know, it's an old hammer.

Now the weird part. It had a lollipop tang sight mounted on the wrist that likely came off a German schuetzen rifle. If the rifle was down on its heels, that sight was not! Had small thumb screws for horizontal and verticle adjustment. The back of the body looked to be all one piece with the large disk. The windage adjustment moved a tongue and groove flat slide that contained the peep hole. Yep, the round part is stationary and the hole, itself, moves. Whole kit and kaboodle is nicely case colored in muted tones of grey. Whaaaa! I want that sight, but have nothing to mount it on.

Here's a couple of questions: Is it feasible to replace the drum to get a better alignment? How hard is it to rebuild the hammer nose (don't have access to a welder.) Even though there's some wood damage, the piece is just goofy enough that it appeals to me. Almost cheap enought to just buy it for the sight. Actually, the price is about right for that sight.

I did stop in a shop that's got a .45 T/C with the old tang. You could drill that hole a little bigger and drop that baby right in. But, then, I've got to buy two guns. Whaaaaaa! Dang guns!

Oh, and did I say there's a snow/ice storm on the way and I know if I get back there in a couple of days it'll be gone. Whaaaa!
 
Gday- I kinda like wierd ugly guns, was the price reasonable and do you think it is shootable?
is the price worth it for the tang sight alone?
i could justify buying it in so many ways but it isn't my cash :grin:
 
You really need to get rid of that junker,specially that nonPC rear sight, send it directly to me and thank your lucky stars I am feeling magnanamus and helpful. Bob :surrender:
 
OK, you got yerself a deal!!! Just send me a PO money order for more than the gun costs. I will cash it, buy the gun and use the rest of the money to get drunk with a Nigerian gal I know. If I have any money left, I will mail you the gun. Trust me. It's legit. You know it is cause it's on the internet.
 
ayup, ...


wow- look at that flying pig- you don't often see 'em this low, but perhaps the lipstick weighs her down.

actually, i would buy this poor little gun and give it some attention (assuming that it's in shootable condition, or can be safely made to that end).

oddly enough, it's often the cheapies that turn out the best... i had this cat once ...

good luck!

msw
 
Building up the hammer with a MIG welder is pretty simple if it is not wrought iron. You probably have a buddy with a welder. They are pretty common nowadays. Then all you have to worry about is attacking it with files and Dremmel.
 
My hunch is that if somone put that nice of a sight on it, it either shot terribly and the owner was grasping at straws, or else it may be a really sweet shooter. You didn't state the price, but I'd be inclined to buy the rifle and see if it's a shooter. If it isn't, sell the rifle and keep the nice sight, or sell it separately.
 
Was surfing for replacement drums and such the old fashioned way, using an olde Dixie Guns catalogue when, lo and behold, there was that sight!

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It's their Mortimer Creemoor sight. Looked at Dixie's web site and they still carry them for $120. Thought that sight was mighty cherry. The shop that has this wonder is asking a little more than that. Maybe I would go a hundred, but it's kind of taken the shine off it a bit. (Whew! I gotta quit bitin' on everything I see. Come on Spring! :haha: )

I will say it's a very nice piece of work and would look right at home on a Haenel KK Sport that's missing one. Wouldn't be too hard to fit, neither.

Guess I will think this one over the wintry weekend.
 
Feather...I drove down yer way today and bought the rifle...if ya still want the sight ..I will let it go fer $100....rifle looks good in my
West Virginia cabin.!!!
 
scalper said:
Feather...I drove down yer way today and bought the rifle...if ya still want the sight ..I will let it go fer $100....rifle looks good in my
West Virginia cabin.!!!

What'ld he sell it to you for? If you did actually buy it (and folks here have been know to pull a leg or two), how much did he let it go for? I was searching on Albany locks and found one that looked a bit like it, at least the floral scroll work. R. T. Ellis & Co. I thinks maybe the top line had what's left of Ellis in it.

Convince me. What do the inlays in the botton of the butt look like?
 
Man, I wish you had! Been dismissing that gun, then thinking about it, off and on. Part of me says, "Yeah, it's kind of neat." :grin: The other says, "Here we go. AGAIN!" :youcrazy:

I'll maybe give 'em a call Monday to see if it's still there.

One thing you did get me thinking about and that is posting Q's like this and someone else hopping into the car and jumping the claim. Ain't hard to imagine these days as the number of local shops has decreased substantially.
 
Well dont listen to that " Hear we go again" thought....you might hear that for each firearm you buy! if the other part of your brain is saying " BUY IT!" you had better react and react NOW!
I know from experience that it is much better to regret it a bit after a purchase than to REGRET A WHOLE LOT after a "non-purchase".....
I passed on a fullstock original .36 caplock for $300 one time ...boy was that a beautiful rifle!
I only had $300 to my name at the time and did not want to starve untill next payday......
I still regret not buying that one! and that happened 6 years ago.....still kicking myself....
 
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