toe in / out

[Col. Batguano]

I'm starting another build from a Dave Keck partially profiled stock (Lehigh Stophill Long pattern). Though cast-off was pretty common back in the day, (and I incorporated that in my last build from a TOTW pre-carve), how common was toe-in / out back then? I shoot my offhand target 22's with about 7 degrees of toe-in.

Do you guys put it in your builds?

 

[Rick G.]

I've heard of cast off, but what is toe in?

 

[jdkerstetter]

Cast on or off moves the whole butt toward or away from the shooter. Toe in or out kicks the toe only one way or the other....or you can combine the two.

I have seen a few of originals with cast off in the butt with the toe kicked in a little and at least one was a Lehigh. You almost have to look for it. One could mistake it for a twisted stock if only looking at the buttplate from behind but then you notice the rest of the butt is as it should be architecturally.

The one I'm working on now has some toe angle and cast. Finished within the next few weeks....I hope!

Enjoy, J.D

 

[Vaino]

All my builds have cast off and the toe of the buttplate is shifted back towards the centerline. The result is a toeline that doesn't display the cast off or not as much. The trigger guard doesn't have to be bent to accomodate the toeline cast off. Most of my builds have a toeline w/ very little cast off....really looks good and the LR shoulders well....Fred

 

[jdkerstetter]

Well described Fred. Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Capt. Jas.]

Building one now with toe out a little. Helps a bunch on fowling guns for big chested fellows and gals.
I have seen this incorporated with slight cast on some English pieces.
I have also seen contemporary pieces that were not inteded to have it but the wood went that way. I had one that way that unfortunately went toe in instead of out.

 

[Col. Batguano]

toe in, cast-off = rifles
toe out, cast-on = shotguns

got it. Why is it that architecture and precise measurements never get that much discussion? One of the beauties of doing your own build is that you can build it to suit YOU.

 

[necchi]

Why is it that architecture and precise measurements never get that much discussion?

Cause most guy's struggle with just getting the Butt Plate on without getting gaps.
And, the amount of cast off is so small most folks can't discern it's presents yet atypical of internet advice, folks will read this and think if a little is good, alot must be better so inevitably they end up with a 3/8" or more and come back asking why the butt plate they bought won't fit.

The neat thing is you asked and got answered, :wink:

 

[Capt. Jas.]

toe in, cast-off = rifles
toe out, cast-on = shotguns

got it. Why is it that architecture and precise measurements never get that much discussion? One of the beauties of doing your own build is that you can build it to suit YOU.

Toe out- cast off for most right handers shotguns ......if any cast or toe is needed. The tough part on historic flintlocks, etc is having to deal with the BP return and making everything flow. That is what Flehto is doing with the rear of his his stock.