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ssamac

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Hi I have the chance to buy a Traditions Kentucky Flintlock Rifle, 6 yrs old, standard model, 50 cal, used about 2-300 rounds. These rifles seem lower priced than most, and I'm wondering what the general opinion of them is?? Note: this will be my first flintlock
Appreciate any response on this.
thanks
sam
 
i had one of those only in percussion think i gave around 200 for it new pretty good gun had the lock polished and it shot great my only complaint was the 2 part stock mainly because the wood was from two seperate piseces and the grain and thus stain wasnt the same
 
I've the pleasure of owning several Traditions flintlocks. I just sold one of them and I'm thinking of getting a "Kentucky" myself.

Traditions quality is good. People will complain that the touchholes are a little low, or high, or off-center, but they go bang without fail, once you get used to the gun and its best load and prime.
I have seen the lock used on earlier Traditions (Pennsylvania). The frizzen was small and the geometry appeared all messed up. I replaced it with the lock from a Traditions Tennessee and was rewarded with a fine shooter. I believe the locks on the Kentucky are similiar to the Tennessee and you'll have no trouble.

I did modify one other Traditions, adding a RPL lock. This gun had a very fast ignition time and was great in the woods.

I like the balance of the Kentucky and it is priced right.

Like all other flinters you will have a steep learning curve developing the proper load and prime. Stick with it and you'll be rewarded with a fine shooting gun.

Don't forget to check the barrel for rust and corrosion, look behind the lock and generally get a feel for how well the firearm was maintained before you buy,

Jester
 
Thanks
Would you say $150 was a good price for the standard Tenessee?
 
Thanks. The Seller made a comment about a spot where the varnish was "flaky" if you looked close. I guess the wood on these rifles is not "selected" type vs some of the more expensive guns.
sam
 
The Tennessee is a shorter gun, and great in the woods, though I found it not a good paper shooter at the range.

Certainly you are not getting a custom wood and finish on the Traditions, as compared to $800 rifles, but the finish on mine generally held up well.

If you think about it, $150 for a good rifle (if that is so condition-wise)is not a bad deal.

Jester
 
Is the Pedersoli rifle a good flinter choice in the kentucky rifle? Or is the Pedersoli in the same class (quality) as say Lyman. I'm in the same boat as "ssamac".....
:hmm:
 
for a guy looking to start out 150.00 is not to bad, the guns made by tradition are nice for the money so why not get it.



As for the pedersoli's I have owned two Brown Bess's and three SXS's from the same company, to tell the truth, I like them but for the average man they are a but pricey, for the same price they are now you could firnd a few outfits that make resonable kits that would be cheaper to get and a bit more authentic , don't get me wrong after building a few guns i have gotton spoiled and would rather build them, don't worry about mistakes we all make them, juat take time and ask questions. bb75
 
Thanks to all and this is the Kentucky rifle for 150 not the Tennessee. Is that a better shooter at the range than the Tennessee due to the length?

sam
 
no for the price and on a budget I'd get what I could afford, they are both good shooters as long as you do your part. bb75
 
Thanks
I guess that puts it in good perspective.
Now once I get the gun, what else do I need to get started?
I figure I need balls, patches? and powder and flints
The gun should have a ramrod
and something to clean it with like a barrel brush??
sam
 
Right after buying the gun, I suggest you buy the Lyman Black Powder Handbook, as it is the very good source of information for someone starting out. This will led you into the sport correctly rather than guessing or unknowingly doing things you should not do.

:thumbsup:
 
I have a Traditions Kentucky Rifle in percussion I bought as a kit. Even though it looks ugly due to lack of skills it shoots accurate with 90 gr. of fffg behind a .50cal ball. Took a couple of deer with it too. It's a good rifle. :)
 
I've got a real nice Traditions 50cal flinter.It shoots good and is accurate.I wouldn't think twice about hunting with it. I'm even thinking of taking it out of the classifieds and taking it apart.Put a patch box on it and a new finish and it'll be ready to go for 20 more years!Then again it's well worth the money I want and I wouldn't mind getting me that Enfield or flinter pistol I was looking at.To much stuff, to little time. :front:
 
Now once I get the gun, what else do I need to get started? I figure I need balls, patches? and powder and flints The gun should have a ramrod and something to clean it with like a barrel brush??
Sam, the barrel brush is optional. Some folks like them, some folks think they put too much wear and tear on the barrel. But you will need a cleaning jag to hold the patches you use for cleaning. There might be a short jag on the end of the ram rod already, or it might be packed in the box. Even if there is, you might want to get a slightly longer version jag with tapered shank - it works a lot better. The threads on the end of the jag have to match the threads on your ram rod or the separate cleaning rod you may want to get.... they come in two common sizes, either 8x32 or 10x32. If you can't tell what size threads are on your ramrod end, haul it down to the hardware store and find a bolt that fits and you'll know what you have.

Cleaning patches are usually a bit larger than your shooting patches, and different type of cloth and (hopefully) cheaper - you'll need a good supply of those. I get mine real cheap from a military surplus store - they were originally intended for cleaning .30 caliber machine guns but they fit just fine.

Check with the previous owner, if you can, to find out what size balls he was using. Probably either .490 or .495. Since the gun has had only a few hundred rounds through it, you might start with the .495.

You'll need patches for the balls. They come in different thicknesses also. You might start with some that are .010 thick and see how they work. Maybe somebody on the forum that owns a similar gun can give you another opinion on ball size and patch thickness for that gun, but that is probably a good place to start.

You can get those shooting patches pre-lubed, or you can get them dry and lube them yourself just before you use them. You can use spit, some homemade moosemilk (see recipe on this forum), or you can buy "bore butter" or pre-made moosemilk.

To get the bullet started down the barrel while loading you'll probably want a short-starter. WalMart has them, or you can make your own.

For powder, I think you will be happiest with 3F powder. You want real black powder and not pyrodex or some other substitute. Most folks on the forum seem to avoid the Elephant brand. Get Goex or Swiss if you can find it. You can use that to prime, too, but some guys like 4f in the pan as a primer.

You can use just the can to hold that powder, but if you do you'll need to get some sort of adapter for the top to make pouring out of it a little easier. Best bet is to get a horn or flask to hold that powder as using the can poses too great a risk of leaving the top off while you are throwing sparks around.

You will need a powder measure. Since you haven't picked your favorite charge yet, you'll want one that is adjustable - one that goes from 50 grains to 100 grains will probably be right for you. I like the kind that has a little swivel funnel on top. Once you get your best charge figured out, you'll probably end up making yourself one of those neat turkey-bone chargers cut to that measure.

For flints, measure the width of the frizzen at its wide spot and get flints to match. I like the black English flints.

Most folks clean with plain water, or water and soap, so you don't really need any cleaning solvents unless you like to use them. You will need something for rust prevention. I use WD-40 after cleaning to get rid of any moisture. After it is good and dry, most folks follow with a coating of some sort of rust preventative such as bore butter, or olive oil, or gun oil.

I use rem-oil to lubricate the lock's internal parts. WalMart has it in spray or liquid form at a good price.

If you can't get the other stuff locally, give the folks at the Log Cabin a call, they should be able to help you out.

http://www.logcabinonline.com/intro.html

Oh, and you'll need a stack of 3 x 5 cards so you can get one with three bullet holes in it mailed to MusketMan before the end of the month :D

Anybody think of any essentials I missed?
 
Check with the previous owner, if you can, to find out what size balls he was using. Probably either .490 or .495. Since the gun has had only a few hundred rounds through it, you might start with the .495.
Sorry! Check that! I should have said, "you probably want to start with the .490."
 
Robert
Just a million thanks for taking the time to do this detail.
So basically you just pour a measure of blackpowder down the barrel, put a patch and a ball and ram it down. Of course, how do you know it's all the way down. Then put some powder in the flash pan and fire away. Sounds easy enough lol

Sam
 
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