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Traditions Patented Breech Help
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Phil Coffins
69 Cal.
Don’t do it, warm soapy water pumped in and out with the rag on the jag will clean everything out. It’s been proven for decades!
I have a flushing system I use on all my others so I don't have to disassemble the guns to clean them. Just swape the nipple for the cleaning one and attach the hose. I want to clean the breach from the bore with my cleaning rod, if needed.
Phil Coffins
69 Cal.
Do a search on this site for stuck wire brush, you will have hours of reading to do.
Never thought about the brush getting stuck down there.....you got a good point!
No it's not the style where you can using a jag to clean it. Just flush with hot soapy water.
Not that this is necessary but it soothes my mind to do so, I usually pour a little alcohol down after the warm soapy bath to displace any moisture that might be hiding in the nooks and crannies.
Phil Coffins
69 Cal.
I'm not a big Whiskey drinker but it looks like a place where I could hang out and have a hot buttered rum or a glass of Maderia.
I've been cutting back, but not on the gun cleaning. I would not put that in my gun, but maybe in this son of a gun.
Zimmerman
32 Cal
I started to worry about not being able to swab my patent breech too. Tried a tip I saw on the forum: take a Q-tip and screw it into the end of your ramrod, it's not as good as a brush but at least it'll get in there!
I helped a guy fix his Traditions patent breech woes. We unbreeched it, opened up the patent breech recess to a larger size, and flared the opening to the recess so there was no step, but still a good seal against the barrel. Polished the whole patent breech recess till it shone. No more ignition or cleaning problems.
I did the same thing to a Pedersoli Hatfield copy. Had to shorten the touch hole liner as well. Helped a lot! Problem was still a poorly performing lock.
I have a healthy dislike for the chambered (patent) breech design.
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A $20 bore camera saves a lot of headache.
Looks great!
I did this 'in-situ' in a 45 CVA/Traditions - I damaged the barrel threads in an earlier attempt - the plug being harder than the barrel and the burrs from the drum stripped the softer barrel threads. - Had to cut off and rebreech = hence doing it in-situ second time around. Ignition and fouling build up were pretty much improved out of sight.
Great pictures, @Snooterpup ! I think you and @rich pierce are on to something.
I would like to know the diameter of the chamber as it comes from the factory, if anybody can say.
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
I would like to know the diameter of the chamber as it comes from the factory, if anybody can say.
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
longcruise
70 Cal.
Don't you guys know that once you take a cva/Traditions drum and breech plug apart you will never get it back together again?? 
Hello Notchy Bob,
Zoom in on the first caliper photo, .220 as measured with a drill bit as came from the factory. I increased it to .325, the tapered in to encourage the powder to funnel into the chamber. I did not feel comfortable going larger.
I think this is true for all Pedersoli variations of the Frontier, Hatfield or Blue Ridge rifles. Perhaps other Pedersoli’s as well, not certain about that.
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On my Traditions Kentucky rifle 50 cal, the patent breech hole was drill at 4.5mm(.177") from the factory, and I had a lot of trouble with it fouling over and getting powder to flow through it.
I made a long drill by center drilling a 36" section of 3/8" steel rod and pressed in a 7/32" (.218") cobalt drill and cross pinned it to the rod. After I opened up the hole 95% of my flash in the pan issues went away. I pump with water, but I also can use a .22 cal. brush and mop it needed .
I used a brass muzzle guard to keep the drill centered and used lots of quality cutting oil. Not something I would recommend to the novice but fairly straight forward with the right tools and skill set.
