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50cal.cliff

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I am building a kit up from Traditions, a 50 cal. Hawken. I have I learned a few things the hard way, along the way. First thing is who ever wrote the directions, such as they were could use a few pointers of there own. But it has been a great learning experience. My problem has been while under construction I did not have the right size of screwdriver, because I messed up the heads of a couple of the screws. This is a kit from Traditions,but thru Bass Pro Shop. The kit itself I think is manufactured in Spain. To make along story short. I want to find replacements for these screws. I am pretty sure they are metric. Places like Home Depot don't begin to carry them and my local hardware did not carry any in the length I needed. Anyone got suggestions as where to fine replacements?
 
I snapped the screw head off of my pedersoli rifle.
Dixie Gun Works helped me out.
I couldnt find the part on there site so I e-mailed them.
They are very courteous and helpful.
Hope this helps.
 
I am using the parts that came in the kit, just hate the look of those screws with the bad heads in the gun. Kinda ruins the overall look. So would rather replace the ones I bunged up,with new. And I plan to be more carful with my screwdriver next time!!
 
Log Cabin Supply in LODI, Ohio Can get you any you want. They are largest in Ohio. Dilly
 
Why not clean up the heads with a file? Then use a knife edge file, or a screw slot file to clean up the slots.

IT's a good idea to harden screw heads, BTW. Hardening with Kasnit, or by heating the screw heads in a carbon rich environment will prevent those buggered heads.
 
I thought about just trying to clean up heads but after looking them over good ,I am afraid time I got them cleaned up I would not have enough of the head left to be stable.
 
Welcome to the forum. Are you talking about wood screws, or the screwhead bolts for the tang, and lock. Both can be gotten, at Log Cabin as mentioned or at either Track of the Wolf, or Muzzleloader Builders Supply. They are all listed in the Links section. Just be glad the instructions were'nt translated from Korean or Chinese, or you would be dealing with a Rock mortice, and a LamLod. :rotf: A lot of these kit hardware aren't hardened or tempored correctly. All of the wood screws should have a pilot hole drilled for them, and the threads should be lubed with soap or beeswax. Good Building, and good luck. Post some pic's when yer done. P.S a little more info in your profile would help us help you, if we knew what part of the country you are from, and what yer skill level is. Again welcome to the Forum
Bill

Aspire to Inspire before you Expire.
 
I was talking about machine screws. Those going into the lock, There is two on this particular model. Also the Tang screw. They were not of great quality steel and once I let the screwdriver slip the first time the damage was done. Appreciate the info thought. For reference this is my first BP kit, although I have been around guns my whole life. I wanted to do this on my own. Looking back a bit of advice would have went along way. though!
 
Traditions keeps small parts in inventory and ships them out fast. I had to replace a few small things on my Trapper pistol when I built it. One of the best investments you can make is a proper gunsmithing screwdriver set though.
 
I just completed the same kit. Ya might want to check out those wonderful :youcrazy: plastic sights and decide now if you want to use them or not. I bought an assortment of front blades from Log Cabin and filed a dovetail for the rear. Installed the spare fixed buckhorn that came with my GPR.

The fitment of the lock to barrel bolster was pretty bad and I had to bring the barrel back a wee bit. Just take it slow and make sure you know what's going on before you cut into anything. The most sanding I had to do was at the buttplate. Lots of wood there to bring down for a good fit. Removed some wood from around the triggers too to get more finger room, especially at the set trigger.

I haven't fired it yet (WHY must work get in the way of having fun?) but I expect it will be a good shooter. I put the whole thing together over the course of about five days during a snow storm. Great fun!
 
I know what you are saying about sanding stock butt and around the trigger area being too tight. I have been taking it slow. I have probably assembled gun and disasembled gun while working on sizing stock at least 20 times already.I am getting to where I could assemble and disassemble it in the dark! My bigest mistake was listening or not listening to the directions. When I assembled the lock in stock the first thing I noticed was that one of the screws was at a very bad angle. If I had one peice of advice at that point it would be don't panic. If possible go on and try to loosely finish assembly. That one instruction that said, "if the holes don't line up ream out with a drill", stuck in my craw. Nobody should put such an instructrion in directions! Had I know at that time what I know now I would have approched this situation much differently. I could not make myself ream that hole. So I decided to move the inlet in the stock for the lock. After all I figured the small amount I had to move it would not show if I did it right and thought I could epoxy a peice off of the stock in that area, sand out and it would never show. This is why I say go on and try to assemble if possible. When I tried to install the barrel tang and barrel I discovered I had bigger problem, That screw that went into the lock would not allow the tang to go in correctly.Now I had no choice but to move that screw. It was so badly off I had to move lock plate washer that is inlet in the other side. So know I have a big wallered out hole in the other side because it had to be moved close to 1/8. Having done all this when I slid barrel into tang where it engages correctly. A new problem then arises, the barrel bolster does not seat into the lock correctly. You guessed it, if I had not moved postion of lock it probably would have been right. The problem was that one screw that went under barrel and tang where they lock together, and threads into the lock, all along. Had I reamed that hole to begin with I would now only have a stock with one ugly side. As it is now, I have the reamed hole on one side and a gap around the whole back end of the lock on the other side. Their is the whole confession! :redface: Maybe at least this story will keep someone from making the same mistake!! :cursing: Did I mention that I am somewhat of a perfectionist. So here I sit with a stock that I just can't bring myself to put together,with the rest of the gun. As of this time I still don't know what I am going to do the whole thing has made me heartsick and haven't touched the gun in three weeks. Thinking about starting anoter stock. Just went and looked at sights you were talking about, hadn't even took them out of small bag, thinking they were like one of the last step in assembly. They are plastic. What the :cursing: is up with that!
 
I feel your pain, pardner! Tolerances around the breech/lock/trigger assembly are definitely not too good. I had to grind off some metal on the bottom back edge of the tang/hooked breech piece to clear the lock bolt after moving the whole barrel back so the bolster would nest down into the notch in the lock. Whew. One things leads to another it seems. I didn't want to move the lock position at all, as I knew the resultant gap around the lock would drive me nuts. I guess the kit is pretty much OK for a basic shooter, but it's not even close to the refinement of the GPR, which even pales in comparison to the Santa Fe Hawken I had back in the 80's. Dang why did I sell that thing. You can't buy back stupid for any amount of money. :haha:

Oh well. It's OK to just resign yourself to this being a learning experience and get it shootable. Then if you smack it against a tree or scratch it on a fence while taking it on a walk in the woods, it won't bug ya as much!

Cheers.
 
Hey, don't know if I had mentioned it but I have been doing carpenter work every since I was a tadpole, the last ten years before I got hurt mostly cabinet work and trim work. So I am going back to my roots to try to fix it. I just come up with an idea that I think will work. I always figure when I have a problem like this its best to let it go for a while. My brain seeems to keep working on a solution even though I am not concentrating on the problem. I have a pretty discriminating eye when it comes to alot of things, but the bottom line is.If it looks good to me, it won't bother me if you don't like it. And I don't like settling for second best.
Anyway I am keeping a picture diary of this build since I become a forum member and will try to share it, on another post later. That is, if I can get my daughter to show me how to put them online. Can we say "computer illiterate"!
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