Trigger weight on Black Powder Revolvers?

[Stantheman86]

All romanticism and feel good history aside, percussion revolvers were marginal at best as actual weapons back in the original era. Let's just call a Spade a Spade here.

If you gotta use em, then you do what you have to do but if I jumped in my time machine and handed Capt Walker a pair of .44 Magnum Ruger Blackhawks and a brace of 1911s, with a crate of ammo for each, he would have happily accepted them and those Walkers would be laying in the dirt

We enjoy the repros because of Spaghetti Westerns and the Civil War centennial. Otherwise the Italians wouldn't have geared up to make copies of long obsolete weapons to take advantage of lax gun laws pertaining to them.


European gunmakers were making pinfires by the 1850s and the CSA bought 10s of thousands of them , because getting better tech into the hands of your troops is smart.

If the Rollin White patent didn't exist, Colt and Remington, and the other little knockoff gunmakers would have been making big .38 and .44 Rimfire revolvers by the 1850s but they made , by then obsolete technology work because both sides needed guns for the War. Sometimes you gotta dance with the one that brung ya. There was no time to play around with other technology when Colt had a product already in production.

I have yet to read a single account of any Cavalry trooper who kept his 1860 Armies and declined the Model P or Schofield. Or missed the percussion guns after receiving the cartridge revolver.

That said, I love my cap and ballers, I'm a "Colt Guy" and they are beautiful guns. They are fun to shoot at the range, I own bunches of them. They're fun to shoot , work on, romanticize about and talk about but just the other night I heard something fall in my backyard.....and it was my .45 ACP Ruger Bisley Blackhawk with 6 Hydra Shoks in the wheel, aka my "living room gun" that joined me to go investigate.

Please be safe out there, you and your families lives are important and if the Goblins come and bring violence into your personal space, think about carrying something you can trust 100% . Why give Murphy more variables to play with.

 

[Blackpowderart]

@Stantheman86 did you finally come around to the idea being able to protect your life and your children's lives is important? Or is that still not the case for the people that committed crimes in their past? Just curious.

 

[45D]

So now we're rewriting history.
If . . .
You mean A models were better than the T- model? I guess Henry Ford
was just a dumb a$$!!

Retooling during a civil war is probably a little difficult . . .
Why wouldn't you hand Capt Walker a nuclear weapon? Instant victory!!!

I guess it'd be best to shut up, sit down and be told how, what and when to do by those that know best . . .

 

[Stantheman86]

@Stantheman86 did you finally come around to the idea being able to protect your life and your children's lives is important? Or is that still not the case for the people that committed crimes in their past? Just curious.

If you're one of the "I made some mistakes" people then many good knives are available from makers like Benchmade or Spyderco. You can protect your family, just not with a gun. If that doesn't suit you, no one is making you stay in this country. Or just break the Law, again, by carrying a gun. My advice applies to people who have their full legal rights to buy and own guns. I can't account for everyone's special legal needs with my comments.

Your State Law is the Law , the Federal Law, is the Law. If you obtain some kind of special permission from the Court to hunt, or possess firearms, or written consent from a Parole Officer to own and carry a Blackpowder revolver, then you did it the right way. By just "deciding it's your right" and carrying a cap and baller because YOU feel it's legal is just dancing with the Devil. But it's you who will be doing 10 years in Prison not me.

You want to keep pushing your little "agenda" of "2A right are 2A rights" that's fine, the law is what it is though . Massage it, bend it, interpret it as you please. You're the one who will explain yourself in court, not me so I don't even know why you keep coming at me about this. If you can prove your cap and baller is legal, then good for you. All you will achieve here is to get yet another thread shut down in your need to make some kind of point.

Or carry your cap and baller and be sure to make a YouTube video about it, and Good Luck to you in Court if/when you have to pull it. You makes your choices, you takes your chances.

I have never committed any Violent Felonies and I'm legally able to carry a modern firearm, if you can't well, sorry for your luck. I don't know what else to tell you. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a cop, I can't control what people do and besides give my opinion, I have no need to worry about the actions of others until they become a threat to my safety or property, or put our ability to purchase blackpowder firearms in jeopardy by posting videos about carrying them with Felonies.

The internet is forever so be cautious what you post if you're one of the Felonious cap and baller toters.

 

[Blackpowderart]

Unfortunately for your moral compass it is legal federally and legal in a lot of states. I know of multiple guys who have a felony record who hunt legally carring black powder arms in NC. They duck hunt with us and get checked by the game warden as much as the rest of us. So believe me, if it were illegal I would have seen it with my own eyes. Now the caveat to that is if you use one in the commission of a crime it is treated as any other firearm. So...most
Of the cases you see in news reports are people who are gang bangers selling drugs so that would make it illegal. Or be it in states where state laws says otherwise. In some states a felon can't even have a knife or any other item that could be construed as a weapon. Know your states laws, but federally it is legal.

 

[Stantheman86]

Unfortunately for your moral compass it is legal federally and legal in a lot of states. I know of multiple guys who have a felony record who hunt legally carring black powder arms in NC. They duck hunt with us and get checked by the game warden as much as the rest of us. So believe me, if it were illegal I would have seen it with my own eyes. Now the caveat to that is if you use one in the commission of a crime it is treated as any other firearm. So...most
Of the cases you see in news reports are people who are gang bangers selling drugs so that would make it illegal. Or be it in states where state laws says otherwise. In some states a felon can't even have a knife or any other item that could be construed as a weapon. Know your states laws, but federally it is legal.

Ok good, it's up to the individual Felon to know the laws. I don't know all 50 states Laws, nor am I a Felon so I only worry about what a non-Felon (myself) can carry

If it's 100% legal, good for them. If it's not, I hope they get a good cellie.

My moral compass notwithstanding, like I said, it ain't me doing the time when some Legal Beagle carrying a snubby .36 Navy gets locked up.

 

[wganz]

The original Colt spec was and still is 3 1/2 lb min.

if you're ever going to shoot competitive, there may be a minimum weight.
N-SSA has a 3.5# minimum.

 

[hawkeye2]

This is the actual minimum for revolvers in the N-SSA which is very light. It's 3 pounds for other arms.

c. The trigger pull for revolvers shall be no less than two pounds.

 

[Jedidiah]

I have never bought into the "good" felon scenario. A felon is a felon, like an alcoholic, they never are not a felon. If you screwed up in life, it is what it is. The world should not change to accommodate you. A felon carrying a BP weapon is no different than one carrying a modern weapon. IMHO. No one with any sense would carry a BP weapon for self-defense unless they were unable to "legally" own, possess or carry a modern weapon. Just one mans opinion, YMMV.

 

[45D]

Wow!! Never know where a thread will go !!! Good job WSAR15!!!

So a 17 yo "does" his 15 yo girlfriend, the girl's parents find out, boy gets convicted. He's now a felon and Jedidiah thinks he's too "dangerous" for a firearm!! There's a lot of difference in a "violent" felon and a "non-violent" felon.

Mike

 

[Dark Angel]

I respect your history but why would you not carry a modern handgun if you indeed have that option?

For the longest, I lived in a state where you could carry a C&B without a CCW, until we got constitutional carry. Lived in a few other states like it. It's just something that I comfortable with. Never had a misfire with C&B and I'm into nearly 50 years of carrying. Have had a few misfires, stovepipes, etc. with modern firearms. Do have a NAA .22 revolver that I sometimes carry when my New Army .44 is just too much. Even then, I don't feel at a disadvantage. It's all about shot placement, even when in crisis mode. One of my favorite lines from a movie is by John Wayne, don't remember the movie, but, he's forced to draw and shoot a person. someone questions; Did you kill him?' JW responds, 'I didn't not have time not to kill him.' Implying, at least to me that he didn't have time to select his shot placement.

 

[Jedidiah]

Wow!! Never know where a thread will go !!! Good job WSAR15!!!

So a 17 yo "does" his 15 yo girlfriend, the girl's parents find out, boy gets convicted. He's now a felon and Jedidiah thinks he's too "dangerous" for a firearm!! There's a lot of difference in a "violent" felon and a "non-violent" felon.

Mike

Yes, there is a difference between a "violent felon" and a felon, I will grant you that. The common denominator is making poor choices in life.

 

[45D]

Yes, there is a difference between a "violent felon" and a felon, I will grant you that. The common denominator is making poor choices in life.

Yes! One typically wants "easy money " and the other wants to kill ya!!
That "scenario" I used was one of Neal Boortz's favorites on the subject. Personally, if it's non-violent and you do your time, I got no problems with full rights back. If ya murder someone, you need to go on to the next thing . . . I / we shouldn't have to keep thier sorry a$$ alive.

Mike

 

[Jedidiah]

Yes! One typically wants "easy money " and the other wants to kill ya!!
That "scenario" I used was one of Neal Boortz's favorites on the subject. Personally, if it's non-violent and you do your time, I got no problems with full rights back. If ya murder someone, you need to go on to the next thing . . . I / we shouldn't have to keep thier sorry a$$ alive.

Mike

I prefer they are viewed on an individual basis. Mrs. Manson thought Charlie was a 'good" boy! Charlie never hurt anyone! It was all those other evil people!

 

[Stantheman86]

I have never bought into the "good" felon scenario. A felon is a felon, like an alcoholic, they never are not a felon. If you screwed up in life, it is what it is. The world should not change to accommodate you. A felon carrying a BP weapon is no different than one carrying a modern weapon. IMHO. No one with any sense would carry a BP weapon for self-defense unless they were unable to "legally" own, possess or carry a modern weapon. Just one mans opinion, YMMV.

Every Felon on YouTube was "railroaded " or "I defended myself and was wrongly sentenced to 5 years " so here, let me give the anti-gun movement more ammo by bragging about how I got this Pietta Navy from BudK with no background check and popped a .45 ACP cylinder to shoot the "same ammo as a 1911!!" Thanks Felon, it just gives the "close the gun show loophole " people more fodder to skew for their social media campaigns

Either way, if the day comes where I can't have a percussion revolver or a pre-98 antique delivered to my door because the Felons ruined it for me , then , well I'll be all broken up over these people's rights

 

[45D]

The "gun show loophole" doesn't exist. It's "personal" sales they want to stop. That's not as easy to talk about as shutting down gun shows for the left.

Mike

 

[Old-Duckman]

I prefer they are viewed on an individual basis. Mrs. Manson thought Charlie was a 'good" boy! Charlie never hurt anyone! It was all those other evil people!

It is a fact that Charles Manson never personally murdered anyone. If you tell someone to go commit a crime and they do so, should you be charged for the crime that person committed?

He was insane to be sure, I have watched many of his interviews, but should he have been sentenced to life in prison? He himself said that he shouldn’t be allowed out but at other times he said that he shouldn’t be incarcerated. An unusual case to be sure. I found him to be quite the interesting character.

 

[hlhanna]

I have never bought into the "good" felon scenario. A felon is a felon, like an alcoholic, they never are not a felon. If you screwed up in life, it is what it is. The world should not change to accommodate you. A felon carrying a BP weapon is no different than one carrying a modern weapon. IMHO. No one with any sense would carry a BP weapon for self-defense unless they were unable to "legally" own, possess or carry a modern weapon. Just one mans opinion, YMMV.

I have never bought into the "good" felon scenario. A felon is a felon, like an alcoholic, they never are not a felon. If you screwed up in life, it is what it is. The world should not change to accommodate you. A felon carrying a BP weapon is no different than one carrying a modern weapon. IMHO. No one with any sense would carry a BP weapon for self-defense unless they were unable to "legally" own, possess or carry a modern weapon. Just one mans opinion, YMMV.

Violent felons were only banned from owning firearms in 1934, non-violent felons in 1968.
Both of these instances are the result of the passing of bad laws.
And the stripping of inherent rights from an individual after he has served his criminal punishment would have been anathema to the Founders, the very epitome of tyranny.

 

[Jedidiah]

Violent felons were only banned from owning firearms in 1934, non-violent felons in 1968.
Both of these instances are the result of the passing of bad laws.
And the stripping of inherent rights from an individual after he has served his criminal punishment would have been anathema to the Founders, the very epitome of tyranny.

So based on your logic ,which I totally disagree with" no matter how bad a person was/is they should always be allowed to have firearms? Another example of the "paying " the debt to society crock! Based on this logic a ********* who does his time, should be allowed to have jobs etc with little children. A felons debt to society may be paid "legally" but many times it is never repaid morally/socially/psychologically, where the victim never recovers fully and lives with the trauma and mental scars always!

 

[swathdiver]

So based on your logic ,which I totally disagree with" no matter how bad a person was/is they should always be allowed to have firearms? Another example of the "paying " the debt to society crock! Based on this logic a ********* who does his time, should be allowed to have jobs etc with little children. A felons debt to society may be paid "legally" but many times it is never repaid morally/socially/psychologically, where the victim never recovers fully and lives with the trauma and mental scars always!

Some folks believe in and support the Constitution, some folks don't. A **** ought to be executed. That's their debt to society.