Took my Ten. Mt. out today so see how it would work I only had .10 patchs and 490 balls with 3f powder. The berral was very badly cared fore befor I got it the bottom 1/3 was full of powder and crud took a lot of work to get it clean so I could try to shoot it. Anway was shooting 80 grains of 3f and ball was getting a 3 to 31/2 inch group just a little to the left and on line for up and down.by the way the range was 50 yards. Would 80 grains of 3f be a good hunting load in a .50 cal rifle for ranges of 50 yard or less for deer and elk? wekk have a good day Tom