Trying to stay out of trouble, here!

[Ed C.]

Really have no intention of pushing any boundaries, but was trying to find out what they are, lol!

Good! Then you should like it here. People want to help and you have almost instant access to any info you may need as you progress through the hobby.

 

[Trigger]

Is more a historic reenacting group.

I'm a modern person and I'm not reenacting. I'm not the only one.

You might not find much here.

Your not a troll no.. but you are a younge adult that might need to learn.

It's not easy to get banned here. You've been told that.

 

[Trigger]

If you make some flintlock lock p. Cap ar15 thing and post it..

We will laufe. It's stupid childish gun.

The topic will be deleted

you probably won't be banned.

 

[Colonial Boy]

Welcome from New England.

 

[Danny Ray Milligan]

Is more a historic reenacting group.

I'm a modern person and I'm not reenacting. I'm not the only one.

You might not find much here.

Your not a troll no.. but you are a younge adult that might need to learn.

It's not easy to get banned here. You've been told that.

Thank you for the "young adult" remark, although I doubt you'd get my 7 grandchildren to go along with that, lol!

 

[Tenring]

Good Morning Danny, thanks for asking.

YES your inline is a "muzzleloader" by legal definition in most if not all states. It is NOT a "traditional muzzleloader" by definition here. (Another interesting side topic..., all of what we classify here as "traditional" muzzleloading firearms are considered "antiques in most states, but that is based on their design being "copied" from an actual antique. I can't begin to tell you how many guys pull the 209 primer from their inlines in my state and drive home thinking they are in compliance with Maryland law, when Maryland Law does not -or didn't until recently- recognize an inline as an antique muzzleloader. So it was supposed to be fully unloaded when placed into the car and driven on the highway.)

The discussion cutoff date is 1865, not pre-1865, PLUS the ignition for the firearm must be from a an exterior source, not an internal primer from a cartridge. So certain breech loaders that load a cartridge BUT use an external cap, i.e. the [original] Sharps, The Burnside carbine, The Gallagher carbine, The Hall rifle, The Smith carbine, The Ferguson rifle, are all open for discussion, but the Spencer and the Henry, made for rimfire cartridges or modern cartridges today, are not, and neither are inline rifles.

We also don't discuss converted rifles like a Snider converted Enfield, etc.

The cap-n-ball revolvers are one of the minor exceptions to the overall rule. However, one may find SA Army 1873 revolvers, made with cap-n-ball cylinders to get around some European laws, and these, although cap-n-ball, are too modern of a design (1873)

You may discuss making of caps, and molding bullets, but may not discuss sabot ammunition nor jacketed bullets, nor may these be offered for sale in Classified ads, nor may the sale of black powder or caps be done (including "throwing them in to sweeten a sale").

OF course what you discuss with another member via PM is your business

Mostly this is for liability. The admin does not wish for the forum to become embroiled in some case where a prohibited adult person, or minor, got hold of a converted to modern use firearm, or blew themselves or others up, based on openly shared information gleaned from this site. There are plenty of other sites out there that have this information, let them deal with such risks.

LD

Go get um Dave. LOL ,Dems da rules….

 

[dracer]

welcome to the forum

 

[Trigger]

Thank you for the "young adult" remark, although I doubt you'd get my 7 grandchildren to go along with that, lol!

Yaman... you'll see where the rules bend.

I'm lookin at automatic patch knives. Law changed and we can have them now. Buck 110 auto. The price hurts the wife says NO

 

[Zapadach]

Just signed up, and read through the rules list. Most of them are common sense and self-explanatory, but there are a few that I have questions about, mainly so I don't get in trouble with the moderators.

My understanding of the term Muzzle Loader means a weapon based upon antique firearms, pre-1865, where you have to push a powder charge, wad, and bullet down the barrel, then load a primer or cap that can be ignited by the hammer.
What exactly constitutes an "in-line"? I have two Tradition buckstalkers that are break-barrel with 209 breech-loaders, are these, or are they NOT... muzzle loaders? I have to muscle a charge, wad and ball down the muzzle to load it, what is changed that makes such a thing "not a muzzle loader"?

I also noted that civil war era revolvers (such as my CVA 1858 Army) are not considered actual muzzle loaders, but are permitted to be discussed. I presume this is because most of them have a built-in ramrod under the barrel that loads each chamber of the cylinder. My response would be that, theoretically, you can still muzzle load each chamber, even though that would seem to be defeating the purpose of the built-in ramrod, wouldn't it? If you so wished, you could shove a charge, wad, and bullet down the barrel with a separate ramrod, then rotate the cylinder so that you can access the next empty chamber, right?

I note that discussion of making explosive devices is prohibited, as is manufacture of black powder. Does this include the discussion of molding your own bullets, fabricating or reloading your own percussion caps to overcome the current and chronic shortage of available caps like #10 or #11 caps in the marketplace?

Again, these are just honest questions, so the moderators won't see a necessity to take me out to the woodshed for crossing into a topic that I wasn't aware was forbidden.

Final question: is discussion and advice about building your own muzzle loader (whether from a kit or from scratch) a permitted topic?

Thanks guys, with an apology in advance if I ruffled any feathers with these questions...

-Danny

There is no discussion allowed, in the home-made production of blackpowder.

 

[Ponderosaman]

Welcome to the forum Danny. For the record, I didn’t read your responses as trolling. Settle in, find yourself a beverage of your choice and enjoy yourself.

 

[deerstalkert]

OP, just start posting stuff to discuss and follow the road signs. you either have something to add to the forum or you don't.
welcome from Idaho.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

I already said I wasn't trolling, nor was I being condescending or snotty. I said that apparently a muzzle loader could fit perfectly into the definition, but if it didn't look exactly like the ones from 170 years ago, then somehow it wasn't a real muzzle loader. As I said, I could take an authentic antique flintlock actually MADE in the 1850's, and glue pieces to it to make it look like a space gun from the movies, and everyone would act like I just desecrated the flag or something.
Let's put it this way: if I paid $20,000 for an original ML from 1835, and then strapped a scope on it, how many of you would fall out of your tree and demand that I get banned???

NOBODY....,
In the first place it's your property.
Yes, there are a few who for some reason assume that optics are banned, but this is not so. Not to mention that a telescopic sight with cross hairs was invented in 1776..., YES 1776, and here in America, but the maker didn't understand optics well enough to have enough space between the aperture and the shooter's eye, and thus the inventor got a LOT of black eyes and dropped the project...,
You will note NOTHING in the rules concerning optics being prohibited. In fact these days it would be foolish as sooo many of our membership have aging eyes.

LD

 

[Trigger]

NOBODY....,
In the first place it's your property.
Yes, there are a few who for some reason assume that optics are banned, but this is not so. Not to mention that a telescopic sight with cross hairs was invented in 1776..., YES 1776, and here in America, but the maker didn't understand optics well enough to have enough space between the aperture and the shooter's eye, and thus the inventor got a LOT of black eyes and dropped the project...,
You will note NOTHING in the rules concerning optics being prohibited. In fact these days it would be foolish as sooo many of our membership have aging eyes.

LD

There's a difference between scopes.

They had them yea.. the length of the gun..

Like yea that's a weird one.. it's not a modern scope.

Leopold on tc hawken is not.. look at one that looks normal.

Modern telescope

 

[Trigger]

1980s

 

[TNGhost]

Welcome to the forum Danny. For the record, I didn’t read your responses as trolling. Settle in, find yourself a beverage of your choice and enjoy yourself.

Recruiting?

 

[Trigger]

If there was.. a topic about..trying to use those unmentionable things you know in these guns..

There not rifled for it... I have not seen anyone shoot a clover trying.. everyone says..... no good.

Both sides of this farm I think agree on that..

So... ?

Is there even a need for the rule if there wasn't the rule..

 

[Loyalist Dave]

There's a difference between scopes.

They had them yea.. the length of the gun..

Like yea that's a weird one.. it's not a modern scope.

Leopold on tc hawken is not.. look at one that looks normal.

Modern telescope

VERY familiar with what they used and what we used. Thanks. Wasn't the point, so not part of the equation. OH anybody gets full points if they get a repro of a vintage scope from the ACW and put that on a Whitworth or an Enfield etc
.
But because The Forum is about folks using the Traditional muzzleloaders, and some need an optic to hunt, we're not against them, and optics are not mentioned in the rules.

LD

 

[Trigger]

As good as I am with iron sights..

I want a scope on the deer. I want to see it.

That's why that's a deer gun 1980 I guess but before inline.

Verry few Not many people have birds type vision where they see like that scope. They usually are the ones that say they can't use a scope for that reason. It's true they can't use a scope.

 

[Trigger]

Traditional hunting category safe zone.

We all know your not showing up at a civil war reenactment with it.

 

[snakebit]

There's a difference between scopes.

They had them yea.. the length of the gun..

Like yea that's a weird one.. it's not a modern scope.

Leopold on tc hawken is not.. look at one that looks normal.

Modern telescope

I have a CVA Varmint rifle that is factory drilled and tapped, and the cock turned out for scope clearance. If a scope will keep a guy or gal shooting good. I'm sure I'll be there someday God willing. I have to paint my front sight on most of my rifles.