Tulle trigger plate

[wayne1967]

Anyone know of another place to get one of these trigger plates? It's been on back order from TOTW since 8/20. Got about everything done on my Tulle kit that I can without it. Looked at MLBS and PRS and didn't see this type which is the correct type and my stock is pre inletted for.

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[rich pierce]

What is the evidence this is the correct style?

 

[bowkill]

I know your pain, putting my tulle together from a kit from tow. I just cancelled my order and used another trigger plate. Dont remember which one but it was longer and not as wide. Had to glue wood to the sides , but very little. If you want to know what i used i will look it up...

 

[alex efremenko]

Its not. a simple pinned trigger and plate were used on originals.TOW has a properly styled trigger & plate.You might have to add /fill in the existing opening for a better job.The one pictured is a PITA for a couple reasons,The main one being it must be just right for the tang bolt to hit center.

hope this helps
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...14&subId=156&styleId=709&partNum=TR-TULLE-2-P http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...14&subId=156&styleId=709&partNum=TR-TULLE-2-T

 

[rich pierce]

Thanks, Alex. I have much to learn about French flintlock trade guns, but that design posted above looked more 1863 Springfield to me. I have also seen trigger plates on European arms from the 18th century that were more finely shaped, sort of a keyhole shape, that is attractive.

 

[wayne1967]

Look at the parts print in Bouchard's book.

 

[wayne1967]

I know your pain, putting my tulle together from a kit from tow. I just cancelled my order and used another trigger plate. Dont remember which one but it was longer and not as wide. Had to glue wood to the sides , but very little. If you want to know what i used i will look it up...

How'd you do on your stock? I waited 3 months on the plain maple and finally canceled it and got walnut.

 

[matt denison]

"a simple pinned trigger and plate were used on originals."

I was thinking the same thing. Why use that "thing" when it is not neccessary and not correct. Put a plain triger plate in there and pin the trigger through the wood. Cancel the back order and be done with it, no more waiting.

 

[wayne1967]

What are you guys basing your "it's not correct" info on??

 

[hoochiepapa]

I think you should try muzzle loaders builder's supply, or Pecatonica River. Sorry, I don't have the links to them, and I wouldn't know how to load them anyhow.
Best of Luck :v

 

[Mike Brooks]

What are you guys basing your "it's not correct" info on??

Reality.

 

[Okwaho]

"a simple pinned trigger and plate were used on originals."

I was thinking the same thing. Why use that "thing" when it is not neccessary and not correct. Put a plain triger plate in there and pin the trigger through the wood. Cancel the back order and be done with it, no more waiting.

Alex and Track are correct :bow: .I just pulled the guard and lock from one of my de chasses [1729-1734 contract}and guess what? It has a simple trigger plate with a slot for the trigger and a simple pin arrangement just as shown by Track.It also has a threaded hole on the front end of the plate for the tang screw. My other gun is temporarily unavailable but as I recall the trigger arrangement is the same. This is one of those situations where simple is best.

By the way the term "Tulle" refers to a specific manufactory NOT a type of gun.Under its contract with the King through his Ministry de la Marine Tulle made common and grenadier muskets as well as Fusils de chasse {muskets for hunting} and their variants.They also made buccaneer muskets. Probably as many Fusils de chasse were made by St. Etienne as by Tulle.These guns were stocked in walnut and the use of maple denotes a Canadian restocking.

Rich,I am not sure as to whether any Fusils du trait {muskets for trade} were made by Tulle,these were made by St.Etienne,Liege,and various other makers such as Tholier.The stock architecture on the trade guns I have looked at appears to be quite different from the Pied de vache look on the de chasses and early French military and quasi military muskets such as the ones produced by Tulle and to a degree by St.Etienne.1741 marked the end of Tulle's somewhat exclusive contractual relationship with the King through the Ministry de la Marine.

I don't even want to think about the ubiquitous terms "Types C and D". I'm still working on that confusion.

I didn't mean to be so long winded :bow: but felt that these thoughts needed to be presented to clear up some confusion.
As always I welcome responsible opposing comments.
Tom Patton. :v :hmm:

 

[rich pierce]

What are you guys basing your "it's not correct" info on??

Well, good question. My first thought in looking at that trigger plate is that it's not a simple system or a pinned trigger and a simple plate, which was used almost universally on all guns with simple (not set) triggers in the 18th century. Next, it appears to have rounded ends. Almost any inlettable gun part that is rounded on both ends is post industrial revolution, when stock duplicators came into being. Furthermore, the complex form or shape of the "ears" that would embrace and pin the trigger proper suggest this is an item that would need to be cast or drop forged. Since it is not brass, I could discount casting in the 18th century. While there were forms for forging gun mounts such as guards, etc from wrought iron in the manufactories of the time, this seems a bit much for an inexpensive gun. So without knowing specifics about smoothbores made at/by Tulle I was 99% sure that trigger plate did not belong.

 

[wayne1967]

I was basing my info on Bouchard's book. I don't have it in front of me right now but I will check again when I get home. There's a still print of parts drawn up in it and I could have sworn the trigger plate is the same. I could have got my wires crossed, it's happened before.

 

[rich pierce]

I might have it also- will go look tonight.

 

[wayne1967]

Well, I was wrong. Simple pin was right. I don't know why I thought I saw that plate in the book. It's been a bad day from the get go for me. Thanks, I'll look into the plain plate.

 

[bowkill]

got a fancy maple because it was in stock.

 

[alex efremenko]

Originals I have viewed,photographed & handled....plates were rounded also. This was a production gun,made at a certain price in a contract.Fancy was specified only on ocassion.

 

[tg]

"By the way the term "Tulle" refers to a specific manufactory NOT a type of gun."

Ya think? :idunno:


The choice of Walnut will make a much nicer gun, hope you went with the 44" barrel parts set Wayne with some lock surgery and adding some flats to the barrel,this can be made into a pretty decent rendition of these guns, and pretty light with the .66 bore a bit heavy in .58 but not a problem.

 

[alex efremenko]

Most all the hardware was forged, whether from Tulle or St Etienne. Very thin and light.Most hardware we get today is WAY too thick and heavy when compared to originals.it helps to make a lighter fusil.
The .66 " barrel is a good choice,it was a common bore size in the period. I usually take the taper off from the muzzle end, take the flats back to 11 " with the 16 sides. St. Etienne guns seem to have had no 16 flat but were filed at angle from the wedding band. You really cant make those changes with a precarve though. I'm working on a gun with that barrel and it will likely weight under seven pounds when done.


From a St. Etienne gun in Canada,notice how thin the wood is on the sides,prrobably less than 1/8"