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You don't tell us what kind of load you are shooting in your Fowler? Have you tried shooting other fowlers, with different stock dimensions? Have you tried the load in other guns? Have you had another gun builder, or gunsmith take a look at your gun to see where you are being hit, and why the stock doesn't fit?

Making another gun is always fun, but unless you know your particular stock dimensions- normally we find this out by shooting lots of other guns until we find one that seems to fit us like a glove- you will just make a second gun that will hurt you, too. Is this your first fowler? Are you mounting the stock to the pocket of your shoulder, rather than out on the forearm? How long is the Length of pull? ( form the center of the trigger back to the center of the buttplate? How tall are you? Do you have narrow or wide shoulders? Do you have a barrel shaped chest and rib cage? Or are you more flat and " skinny framed" ? Do you have a long or short neck?

All of these questions are important to answer if someone is to help you find out why you are being kicked by a gun. Sometimes, its just a minor adjustment such as putting cast off on the buttplate, or changing a buttplate from a fairly narrow one to a broader one. Typically, the Length of Pull is too long, or the comb is too low, so you are crawling the stock, and laying your head on top of the stock rather bring the stock to the side of your face.

Most 20 ga. guns are not going to hurt you shooting Black Powder loads. Take a look at V.M. Starr's article on the ML shotgun, found in Bob Spenser's Black Powder Notebook.
[url] http://members.aye.net/~bspen/starr.html[/url]

Mr. Starr is considered the Dean of the ML Shotgun, having made, and studied and used the old guns all his life. Most of the guns he had were cylinder bore guns; only a few had jug chokes, and he was famous for doing that kind of work on other people's shotguns through ad. in Muzzle Blasts.

Let us know if we can be of further help. It would be ashame to get rid of a gun that only needed some small adjustment to make it work for you.
 
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Skagan said:
One thing that Impresses me is TVM's lack of Negative press. There are builders that seem to attract more negativity that others, either due to poor/rude customer relations, or poor/lackadaisical craftsmanship, I've not seen these remarks concerning either of the TVMs.

TVM in one guise or another has been around a long time. When I first got interested in buckskinning back in the 70s they turned out very nice Tenn Rifles. Now they sell a bunch of different types of rifles and guns. I have never owned one, but everyone I know that does loved them. Every one I have handled was well made with good materials. They are a big step up in quality and styling over any factory gun out there (T/C, Pedersoli, Traditions, GPR, etc). They are half the price of "custom" guns from most makers--and many of their similarly priced competition have gone out of business or have had serious problems with meeting their promises. That says something about TVM. Long-term acceptable quality and reliability and "PC-ness" have kept them in business. They have their detractors, but not me. I hope they can continue to make good guns at reasonable costs. It is possible to nitpick anything. But there is alot of good about TVM.
 
This is the only fowler I have ever shot, but I have shot many different types of modern shotguns and rifles and percussion rifles and many of them kicked a lot harder than my fowler, but never had any other gun bruise my cheekbone. I don't know anyone else around here that shoots a fowler to try out other one.

I'm using a load of 1 oz shot over 57 grains FF.

I understand that this gun does not fit me, but I'm of average size; 5" 10" and 150 lbs. Every time I mount the gun I have to be very careful to keep my head up and far back on the stock in an un-natural position. Over the past year I have been reading everything I can find about proper stock fit, and I plan on building a try-stock and figuring out the best stock dimensions for me before I build or buy another gun. I wish I knew someone around here with a real try-stock.

I was just sharing that I've had a bad experience with a TVM gun. Over the past year I have learned a great deal from this forum and I appreciate how helpful every one is. I'm hoping to build me a new fowler next year and then I'll get rid of this one.
 
Sounds like to much drop.
Put your head on there hard.
Remember - "WOOD on WOOD"
 
What is the drop at comb? At Heel? What is the length of pull? You are the average guy most gunmaker's stocks will fit as is. Its those of us who are shorter than 5'10" or taller than 6' that have problems, usually with bad fitting stocks. I would think you should do well with a drop at comb of about 2 3/4 inches, and a LOP of 13 inches. Again, this can change based on how long or neck and skull are. Make sure you lift your arm up and put the elbow out to your side, even with your shoulder, to create that pocket to put the buttplate in. With the stock close to your centerline, you should not need a 13 /12, or 13/3/4 inch LOP. Bring the gun to your face, and not your face to the stock. Push the gun out away from you, as you are lifting it, and when the butt is even with your shoulder, bring the stock back to your face, as you are already looking down the barrel. If you have a wide face, you may need cast off. This makes a lot more difference in felt recoil than most think- until they try a gun with cast off built in it. Your stance should have your feet spaced at shoulder width, as if you are going to dribble a basketball, or box. You want to be turned at 45 degrees to your target or point so that you have maximum swing both right and left.

You are not using a hard recoiling load. Is this gun very light weight? If it weighs 7 lbs. or more, it should absorb most of the recoil, and at most you should feel a " shove ".
 
greetings,,

this may sound like a silly question, what load are you using???

..ttfn..grampa..
 
OOPS!!

sorry about that. i missed seeing that post.. thank you paul..

..ttfn..grampa..
 
mbritt said:
18 months ago I bought one of their 20 ga fowlers with 42" barrel and I don't like it at all. It always bruses my cheek no matter how much I try to adjust to it. The only gun I have ever shot that does that, and I've shot a lot of guns. ***SNIP***
Hey Mbritt,

Odds are you are leaning your face over to see the front sight because the gun has a straight stock instead of an offset. If you turn you nose in towards the stock instead of leaning your cheek over it, you will be able to sight down the barrel out of the inside corner of your eye. Then, when the gun goes off, instead of smashing into your cheek, it will brush by it. It's an old shotgunner's trick and works great.

I have a .50 cal longrifle with not only a straight stock, but a roman nose to boot. I remember tilting my head over to sight it once. Got a heck of a bruise that took a week to go away. I don't lean over it anymore.

Give it a try and you'll see what I mean.

Twisted_1in66 :thumbsup:
 
I just want to say that I own two Matt Avance long guns, a Early Lancaster .54cal with a GM swamped barrel and SP wood, a real tack driver, and a 20ga PA fowler. Both are made with quality parts and are very reliable.
 
hi ho river rat,

what load do you use in your 20ga?? the reason i ask is; mbritt is using an once of shot and 57grFF. sounds like a mag load in a 20.

hang in there mbritt, sooner or later we will figgure out why that gun is beating you up :)

..ttfn..grampa..
 
xxgrampa said:
hi ho river rat,

what load do you use in your 20ga?? the reason i ask is; mbritt is using an once of shot and 57grFF. sounds like a mag load in a 20.

hang in there mbritt, sooner or later we will figgure out why that gun is beating you up :)

..ttfn..grampa..

Mag load? Not at all. I [not known for mag loads] and many others use more like 70 gr ffg or even fffg and an equal volume of shot.
 
Did you special order this from us or was it bought off of the rack? We do adjust drop on pieces if it is requested. I couldn't find an order in your name.
Toni
Tennessee Valley Muzzleloading
 
Toni,

I bought this gun from an Internet web site that sold guns online and I don't remember their name and I don't think they are in business anymore. The gun was brand new and the barrel is signed B Jurner or maybe it's B Turner.

I really don't know if this gun is typical of the guns your company makes and I'm sorry if I unjustly gave your company a bad name. I've just been so irritated by this particular gun.
 
what is the wait time on tvm guns? :hmm: sure like the look of their virginia rifle. chopper
 
Just to add a :thumbsup: ...
I bought a slightly used TVM Jaeger and it is very well made.It also fits me just right.They do good work and,as you may have noticed,the brains of the outfit posts here as "slash".
 
thanks paul. the jaeger is a cool rifle. probably what i should get since i hunt out of tree stands. but i have wanted a long rifle for some time now. hopefully that willbe a reality this year. chopper.
 
Brian Turner is not affilliated with the Avance's. Brian does work closely with Jack Garner (Tennessee Valley Manufacturing).

It could very well be that the gun just does not fit you. I have a couple guns that Brian made, and both are good, solid, well made guns.

Java Man
 

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