I would like to get a Pedersoli Tyron rifle. I just don't like the sidelock shape. If I was to get the rifle is there another kind of sidelock (normal) I could buy and inlet and fit it to the rifle?
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Uhm, the Tyron is a "back-action" lock, and being so will be fully inlet for said lock.
That means big chunks of wood have been removed inside the stock to let the lock work.
With that understood,
What lock would you like to have in the Tyron instead?
That means big chunks of wood have been removed inside the stock to let the lock work.
With that understood,
What lock would you like to have in the Tyron instead?
kansas_volunteer
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I have a Tryon and like it fine as is. There is no way in hell you can put a "normal" lock on one without savagely butchering the piece. Consider what you'd pay for the rifle then figure the gun will be absolutely worthless after the work is done and save yourself the aggravation of doing such a thing and flush your cash down the toilet. You'll come out ahead. Of course if you really want to bugger a fine rifle hire Bubba to do the job. He can probably do splendid work with a Dremel, walnut colored Plastic Wood and brown duck tape.
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The Tryons are very good copies of the original and are a good replacement for a Hawken when it comes to plains rifles . I gave owned two and found them to be very accurate out of the box .
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Hey Necchi, thanks for the reply. Im fairly new to ML ing. I've never heard of a "back action" lock. Now I have. I just really like the Tyron style, but wanted a different shaped lock. I'm a stock maker, and am always looking for something different. I have my period correct guns but I like to experiment on a few. Thanks again.
I have no doubt they are. I have heard that and that is why I want one. Thanks man
The back action lock found on the Tryons is a very fast lock. accuracy is generally improved due to the shorter lock time though it is probably not measurable by human standards. I have a Tryon, and have found that i shoot it more accurately than my side locks, but that could be because of several things like rifling, gun fit, barrel length and others. I would not try to replace an existing back action lock with a conventional side lock. As stated above, it would require a lot of wood removal and in the end you would have a gun that would not be any better than the original.
Thanks Grimrod. I like the design of the rifle though I have never held one. I have heard they are very accurate. I today learned what a back action is. Thanks again.
I don't own a Pedersoli Tryon rifle, but I am interested in them. Most of what I've seen written about them is very favorable.
Regarding back-action locks, these enjoyed a surge of popularity in the mid-19th century. They were pretty common on big-bore "plains rifles." This outfit was used by a professional hunter named James Nosworthy:
His rifle, made by William Robinson, and at least some of his accoutrements are now in the Autry Museum:
This rifle was made by Wurfflein of Philadelphia for the western and California trade:
This one was by Slotter, also of Philadelphia:
Those all have back-action locks. Somebody apparently thought these were an improvement over the "front action" or "bar action" locks, but in The Muzzle-Loading Cap Lock Rifle, author Ned Roberts said, "It is probable that one form of these locks was equally as good as the other when correctly and skillfully made" (p. 25). The principal difference is that the mainspring in a back action lock is behind the hammer rather than in front of it, and the spring pulls up on the tumbler instead of pushing down. This is a photo of one of the L&R back-action locks, from the Track of the Wolf website:
I am glad the Pedersoli Tryon rifle is in production. Not every plains rifle was a Hawken or a Dimick or a Leman, and if you Google "percussion plains rifle" and look at photos of originals, you'll find quite a variety, many of them with back-action locks. However, the Pedersoli Tryon is the only rifle I know of in current production that uses one.
I would agree with the majority of those who responded... there would not be much point in replacing the back action lock on the Pedersoli Tryon with a front action lock. It can be done... I have seen one old original single-barrel smoothbore which had it's back-action lock replaced with a bar-action (front action) lock. The bottom of the lock mortise was evidently flattened and opened up to have square corners, and a block of wood was carefully fitted and glued in place. A new mortise for the new lock was then cut in the conventional way. However, the amount of labor that went into that job must have been substantial, and I would consider it a heroic salvage job.
One last thing, and I'm not a grammar policeman or anything, but the name is Tryon, with the "r" before the "y." The Tryon family, of Philadelphia, was a major producer of parts and completed firearms and other goods throughout the 19th century and into the 20th. My thought was that the spelling might affect the results if someone wanted to search for more information. However, out of curiosity, I searched "tyron" on this forum and got a lot of hits, including one with a photograph of a lockplate that was clearly marked TYRON & SON. I really do learn something new every day here!
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
Regarding back-action locks, these enjoyed a surge of popularity in the mid-19th century. They were pretty common on big-bore "plains rifles." This outfit was used by a professional hunter named James Nosworthy:
His rifle, made by William Robinson, and at least some of his accoutrements are now in the Autry Museum:
This rifle was made by Wurfflein of Philadelphia for the western and California trade:
This one was by Slotter, also of Philadelphia:
Those all have back-action locks. Somebody apparently thought these were an improvement over the "front action" or "bar action" locks, but in The Muzzle-Loading Cap Lock Rifle, author Ned Roberts said, "It is probable that one form of these locks was equally as good as the other when correctly and skillfully made" (p. 25). The principal difference is that the mainspring in a back action lock is behind the hammer rather than in front of it, and the spring pulls up on the tumbler instead of pushing down. This is a photo of one of the L&R back-action locks, from the Track of the Wolf website:
I am glad the Pedersoli Tryon rifle is in production. Not every plains rifle was a Hawken or a Dimick or a Leman, and if you Google "percussion plains rifle" and look at photos of originals, you'll find quite a variety, many of them with back-action locks. However, the Pedersoli Tryon is the only rifle I know of in current production that uses one.
I would agree with the majority of those who responded... there would not be much point in replacing the back action lock on the Pedersoli Tryon with a front action lock. It can be done... I have seen one old original single-barrel smoothbore which had it's back-action lock replaced with a bar-action (front action) lock. The bottom of the lock mortise was evidently flattened and opened up to have square corners, and a block of wood was carefully fitted and glued in place. A new mortise for the new lock was then cut in the conventional way. However, the amount of labor that went into that job must have been substantial, and I would consider it a heroic salvage job.
One last thing, and I'm not a grammar policeman or anything, but the name is Tryon, with the "r" before the "y." The Tryon family, of Philadelphia, was a major producer of parts and completed firearms and other goods throughout the 19th century and into the 20th. My thought was that the spelling might affect the results if someone wanted to search for more information. However, out of curiosity, I searched "tyron" on this forum and got a lot of hits, including one with a photograph of a lockplate that was clearly marked TYRON & SON. I really do learn something new every day here!
Best regards,
Notchy Bob
Now that is a reply. I learned a lot about them. nice looking rifles. Thanks man.
had to do a little comparison.
Thank you for the pictures. This is as close to any that I have been. Looks great!
DuncNZ
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You can see from the butt plates this picture why the Pedersoli Tryon is nicer to shoot from prone than the Hawken type
Ok, there are different stocks. I get that,
But the Pedersoli Tyron is a Pedersoli Hawken stock with a different butt plate and a different lock inlet.
San's butt plate and lock,, it's the same stock.
Changing the lock,, changes the name of the same dimension stock.
There is no change in lop, comb, drop, over all length or cheek,,,
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Different bubba. Dremels are too new-fangled for me.
There is changes in buttplate, trigger guard, patch box and I think the tryon is thicker in the wrist. Every once in awhile I take a rifle (of all kinds) and make my own version. Its fun.
absolutely agree Cutfinger.
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