Uberti- pietta interchange

[capt jack]

Here's one for the BP revolver guru's


Purchased an older uberti 1858 rem. in 44 , dated 1967 and it came with an extra cylinder.

I also have a Uberti revolving carbine in 44 , dated 1999 , and was hoping that the spare cylinder would interchange . But no such luck! The older clyinder appears to be the same , but is approx. 20-30 thous. too long to fit in the carbine frame .



Here is the clincher . The older cyl. , except for cal. , fits perfectly into my PIETTA 58 rem., dated 1996 , 36 cal. , and index's perfectly.

Did Uberti change there cyl. length over the years , or does the revolving carbine use a different cyl. , than the six gun?

Can the older cyl. be turned down a few thous. and be used in the carbine frame? How come a Uberti cyl. fits in a pietta frame? This should get some heads scratchin' . It sure has mine! Thanks --Jerry

 

[Dave Rosenthal]

Congrats on the question of the week! I don't know enough about this to be quoted. I'm thinking about the guys at R&D fitting replacement centerfire cylinders to 1858 New Model Army revolvers all of the time, from every known manufacturer...IF anybody could answer this one, it might be them!

Dave

 

[Blizzard of '93]

have you compared the O.D. of the cylinder pins? may be some difference there, could be made to fit (reamed out) if too small. but if larger of course, well lots of work/time here. a surface grinder could take care of the length, take off of the chamber mouth end.

 

[Zonie]

I have several thoughts about this question.
First off, if the spare .44 cal cylinder fits the .36 make dam sure you don't stick the .44 cylinder into the .36 and forget about it.
Trying to fire a .44 cal ball thru a .36 cal barrel would ruin your day.

I believe the companies making the reproduction Remingtons are very likely working to some of the original .44 cal drawings. If so, this would explain why the cylinders for a Pietta pistol would fit a Uberti pistol.

When these companies decided to make a .36 caliber pistol they did not follow the original guns designs.
They chose to go the "easy, low cost" way. They used the .44 cal frame and cylinder sizes and bored the cylinder chambers and the barrels bore the .36 caliber.
A real Remington .36 New Navy is a smaller gun than the .44 New Army.

Now, why isn't the pistol cylinder fitting the Revolving Rifle? Darned if I know except the frame is not the same as the pistols frame and as far as I know, the distance from the center of the cylinder pin to the center of the bore might be different too. If it is, that would be a good reason for Uberti to make the length of the cylinder different to prevent someone from interchanging the cylinders.

Of course this is just a guess.

 

[mykeal]

When these companies decided to make a .36 caliber pistol they did not follow the original guns designs.
They chose to go the "easy, low cost" way. They used the .44 cal frame and cylinder sizes and bored the cylinder chambers and the barrels bore the .36 caliber.
A real Remington .36 New Navy is a smaller gun than the .44 New Army.

I'm sure that's correct for the Pietta - the .36 cal Remington New Navy has the same size frame as the .44 cal Remington New Army. But it was my understanding that Uberti made their .36 cal Remington New Navy on a smaller frame than their .44 cal Remington New Army, retaining the relationship of the originals. Am I mistaken about this?

 

[Capt. Willard]

My Lyman Remie navy is a smaller pistol than my Lyman Remie army model.

 

[Zonie]

My .36 Remington was imported by Navy Arms and my .44 Remington was imported by Dixie so I am guessing they were made by Pietta. I know they weren't made by Uberti.

Knowing that Uberti usually makes fairly authentic copies of their pistols they may have made their .36 Remingtons smaller, I don't know.

Dixie says of the Uberti .36 Remington Navy Revolver, "...Very close to the RH0424 Remington listed above." The RH0424 is a .44 cal. Remington New Army.

 

[RedFeather]

I've got an old Hawes Remington .44 that is not lining up the hammer with the nipples. It may have a slightly bent frame or the cylinder is indexed in correctly as the cylinder stop locks it up with zero play. Anyway, I've thought about trying a spare cylinder from time to time but didn't think another brand would fit. My concern isn't with it physically fitting the frame but with the indexing/timing. If you can get your extra cylinder to fit your carbine, make sure the bore/cylinder is properly aligned.

One thing to consider is that, as production continues, machinery begins to wear out and has to be replaced. Sometimes the tolerances are changed on the new equipment due to changes in manufacture, advances in machining, et cetera. Also, when the repros first came out the specs were changed slightly to prevent counterfeiting. I would think those changes may be specific to each manufacturer.

 

[faw3]

How much smaller is the frame, we went thru this a few months ago about no one makeing a true copy of the smaller Navy. Thanks. Fred :hatsoff: