unknown small percussion black powder rifle

[MacShay]

I'm hoping someone on this forum will recognize this type of rifle and let me know what they think it is. The only marking besides the scroll work on the trigger guard and barrel is the number 8938 on the butt which I assume is a serial number. Any advice is more than welcome. I'm posting 5 pix. In the one with 2 rifles, it is the smaller one. Thanks.

 

[Phil Coffins]

It appears to be European made to me and of modest quality. The number on the butt plate would not qualify as a serial number in this country. Remove the barrel and check for marks on the underside.

 

[MacShay]

It appears to be European made to me and of modest quality. The number on the butt plate would not qualify as a serial number in this country. Remove the barrel and check for marks on the underside.

Will do. Thank you.

 

[52Bore]

Looks similar to Flobert ‘pea’ rifle, in percussion.

 

[MacShay]

Looks similar to Flobert ‘pea’ rifle, in percussion.

Thanks.

 

[Hermit Tim]

Looks similar to Flobert ‘pea’ rifle, in percussion.

That's what I thought too. Looks alot like a Flobert .22.

 

[Hermit Tim]

I'm guessing an English (?) Boy's rifle. About what caliber is it?

 

[MacShay]

I'm guessing an English (?) Boy's rifle. About what caliber is it?

It might be.32, measures .316 at muzzle, definitely not a .22. I've looked at the Flobert models online and it could be one of them.

Will take barrel off and look underneath as suggested by Phil Coffins. Hesitating since the stock and barrel is pinned as well as secured with screws.

 

[Johnn Davis]

Will do. Thank you.

It looks like one of the smoothbores that Dixie Gun Works imported back in the 60s and 70s.
Made in Belgium. They were made in the same factory for trade to the natives in 3rd world countries for two hundred years. So are they originals or reproductions?

 

[MacShay]

It appears to be European made to me and of modest quality. The number on the butt plate would not qualify as a serial number in this country. Remove the barrel and check for marks on the underside.

With the barrel and lock removed, there are no markings.

 

[MacShay]

It looks like one of the smoothbores that Dixie Gun Works imported back in the 60s and 70s.
Made in Belgium. They were made in the same factory for trade to the natives in 3rd world countries for two hundred years. So are they originals or reproductions?

I'm process of checking with Dixie Gun Works as to whether it could be one of theirs.

 

[nhmoose]

In the trade they were called monkey guns I believe

 

[nhmoose]

In the trade they were called monkey guns I believe. They will draw some good money at auctions.

 

[bpd303]

I believe the number on the butt plate is a rack/inventory number. I also believe it is a Folbert that was used in a shooting gallery way back when Circuses had them.

 

[MacShay]

In a reply from Dixie Gun Works, they indicated they believed it to be a Belgian-made rifle but with no markings or proofs anywhere on it, I'm now reduced to searching for any old Belgian firms that might have produced something like this. If anyone has any additional ideas, please post. Thanks for your help.