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Mad Irish Jack

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If you package the muzzleloaders firmly in a box with peanuts or bubble wrap tape to retard sliding. You can ship USPS. Take it into the post office. Put address and return addy around the box using magic marker. They'll also have you fill out an address label they'll apply where they want it. Pay the fee ti insure it for $25,000.oo or more. If it's lost or damaged it's payable to the sender.When they ask what is in the package, you tell them it is an irreplaceable "Antique Replica". Since it is not considered a firearm by ATF you don't need to claim it as such. I've shipped more than a dozen this way. The high insurance coverage seems to require better handling and service. Also if traveling by air and checking firearms as luggage it is inexpensive to insure. My friend flies PA to Minnesota every year for rendezvous with family and friends. He insures a rifle, a smoothie, a pistol and longbow in a custom travel box. Insures for $100K. He and his wife told us that every time,the baggage handlers have only it on a cart. Two guys hand it up to the guys in the planes hold they place it. The same in reverse when they land. He picks it up at the claims office where he signs for it after inspecting it. He's never had a nick or out of place incident. Money talks.
 
Sounds like they have a way of "flagging" high dollar insured items....They must be self insured to a certain point and don't want to have to pay a claim for their own negligence.....

You might be onto something.... :hmm:

What does $25,000. worth of insurance cost?
 
I've been shipping MLers using USPS for years and have never had to file a claim....I do insure for a realistic amount.....Fred
 
I've shipped many using USPS & insured for the true value of the item. I've never had any problems except losing one in a blizzard once. It showed up a week later when the mail truck was freed from the snow covered interstate parking lot. :/
 
Pay the fee ti insure it for $25,000.oo or more. If it's lost or damaged it's payable to the sender.When they ask what is in the package, you tell them it is an irreplaceable "Antique Replica". Since it is not considered a firearm by ATF you don't need to claim it as such.

If you ever have to file a claim you had better have a gun that is worth $25,000 or you will be guilty of FRAUD and spend 10 years in prison. Insurance amount should be for replacement value of the item. USPS frowns on people making a profit on insurance claims.

And BTW, what in heck is an "antique replica" supposed to mean?
 
I have shipped long guns (MLs) via USPS several times. I use 'click and ship' and have it picked up from my front porch. Insurance is only what they give with the service. If one takes any kind of firearm into a post office you run the risk of some 'know-it-all' idiot bureaucrat refusing to take just because he is in a position to give the customer a hard time. Rural mailmen are more customer orientated. Never a problem with this method. And it saves a drive to town.
 
laffindog said:
And BTW, what in heck is an "antique replica" supposed to mean?
That's the wording right from the BATF&E and the USPS.
Blanket term for non-educated postal workers and ATF people to mean "Modern made that Looks like old time cap lock or flint lock".
A T/C Renegade is an "antique replica" even though it has features that are not historical.
A 44cal Colt Navy, is an antique replica,,
 
laffindog said:
Pay the fee ti insure it for $25,000.oo or more. If it's lost or damaged it's payable to the sender.When they ask what is in the package, you tell them it is an irreplaceable "Antique Replica". Since it is not considered a firearm by ATF you don't need to claim it as such.

If you ever have to file a claim you had better have a gun that is worth $25,000 or you will be guilty of FRAUD and spend 10 years in prison. Insurance amount should be for replacement value of the item. USPS frowns on people making a profit on insurance claims.

And BTW, what in heck is an "antique replica" supposed to mean?


NOPE. One is not guilty until one collects the fraudulent amount. You can easily buy a $25,000.00 policy for your from your local agent to insure your 1972 Gremlin. This will get ya about $450.00 if its a total loss (NOT $25K). You can also buy a "stated value" policy on that ancient ride. Then they will repair it up to $25K.

As far as the USPS insurance discussed one can insure a CVA mediocre kit for $25K. This only means ones kit gets $25K handling. It don't get lost. They watch it. "IF" they lose or damage it unless you LIE when you tell em what it was yer getting a big fat $225.00 check from em NOT $25K. If ya lie and tell em it was dan'l boones first rifle and push it then yer busted.

If you dont mid payin the extra $$ It's a great idea to way over insure to MAKE SURE it gets to destination undamaged. Thats my experience.
 
As far as the USPS insurance discussed one can insure a CVA mediocre kit for $25K. This only means ones kit gets $25K handling. It don't get lost. They watch it. "IF" they lose or damage it unless you LIE when you tell em what it was yer getting a big fat $225.00 check from em NOT $25K. If ya lie and tell em it was dan'l boones first rifle and push it then yer busted.

If you dont mid payin the extra $$ It's a great idea to way over insure to MAKE SURE it gets to destination undamaged. Thats my experience.

LOL actually just sayin' it's Boone's rifle would get you a request for documentation of the item, and then documentation that it was inside the package as claimed. IF you tried that, well then that's a crime, but we're not talkin' about bein' stupid, right??


This isn't their first "rodeo" folks. As quoted, they will be happy to take your money, and if it get's "lost" or some ham fisted handler was to break it..., they'd compare several sources to replace the item, and you'd get a check for an average (or maybe the lowest of the three or four sources).

LD
 
I can only speak for my own experiences but I've never had a problem with shipping or receiving anything in reference to USPS. Never had a problem with UPS neither.

Just recently I did have two very bad experiences with FedEx! One was about a month ago when it took 11 days for a muzzleloader to arrive from Idaho. It was supposed to arrive in 2 days but took 11 days.

The second was had a muzzleloader go missing and the tracking said it was delivered on my doorstep. :shocked2:

After a day and a half later I combed the neighborhood and found that it was delivered 10 residents down the street from where I live. Luckily the people that live there are an old couple with a lot of integrity. They found the package on their doorstep and took it inside. They had planned on taking it into town just before I showed up.

I will never use FedEx again if I have a choice! Not saying all of FedEx is like that but two very bad experiences have definitely steered me away from them if I have a choice in the matter!

Respectfully, Cowboy
 
Guys Insurance fraud is a felony.

You will get charged.

Do it smart ship as registered mail at the real amount. You will pay a little more but it is worth it.

Do as advised so you stick out and get charged Your choice not mine.

Many idiots I arrested got off on all other charges but the Insurance fraud was not one of them and was the final verdict. Jail time is jail time and is not enjoyable ay all.
 
Simply send yourself a registered letter stating your intent on insuring for an outrageous amount, and that of not collecting that amount if loss occurs. That will remove the "intent element" from the charge, hence no crime since none was intended and you have "proof". Just remember it only takes one minor bureaucrat to make your life miserable. That being said, I think it's silly to insure for absurd amounts. Insurance is not cheap. I insure for actual fair market value period.
 
nhmoose said:
Guys Insurance fraud is a felony.

You will get charged.

Do it smart ship as registered mail at the real amount. You will pay a little more but it is worth it.

Do as advised so you stick out and get charged Your choice not mine.

Many idiots I arrested got off on all other charges but the Insurance fraud was not one of them and was the final verdict. Jail time is jail time and is not enjoyable ay all.
While I agree with you, I don't think over insuring meets the burden of proof alone for fraud......You still have to prove intent. The fraud part comes in when the package is intentionally damaged or goes missing.
Remember you purchased the dollar amount of coverage.....that constitutes a contract....not fraud.
I'm not a lawyer but that's how I would argue it....
 
Unless ya push it and accept the check and cash it there is very little chance they would prosecute. You will have to say what was really in the package and they will then pay ACV (actual cash value). So insure that CVA for $25K, it'll arrive all right. If the .01% chance happens and its lost be prepared to LIE and get caught or accept the ACV, ($225.00?). The extra paid is, IMHO, ONLY for "real" insurance that the package makes it to the intended destination as shipped. Insure it for $225.00 and they do hardly anything extra to insure it arrives. Ya know in reality about 25% that buy the insurance and dont even follow through (they "dont know how" :shocked2: :shake: )
 

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