What happened to Lyman Muzzleloaders?

[Jedidiah]

My daughtr works at Harley in York. For some parts they keep less than an hour's production line quantity in stock. Much of the parts inventory is actually held by other companies in warehouses on the other side of York and are loaded and trucked over with minimal advance notice. If a fork lift breaks down and takes two hours to fix, the production line at Harley will go down when it runs out of parts on hand. The system sounds thoroughly stupid to me. I would figure a day's worth of parts on hand, but running so tight, that they keep only an hour's worth is insane. One day a worker misplaced a box of bolts. They ended up being short those bolts two hours later and shut down, only to have the box found after most of the workers had punched out. (sound fishy?)

Yeah look at how well American made cars of the 1970's and 1980's lasted. 12 yrs average before they rusted through the undercarriage. And the American made 20 inch TV sets cost more then, than 2x bigger flat screens today. American made was not always the quality some nostalgically disremember. Corvairs and Pintos killed people. Tires lasted only 15k to 25K miles. And most cars were considered junk at 100K miles. Some American made products were good, and some foreign made products were always better than American. Cameras for instance. There are no American made of some products. If I want tiny eyelets for things I make, there are no American suppliers. They all come from China. The American store such as Ace or True Value, get $289 for six 8mm eyelets. I can go on-line and order 200 directly from China for that exact amount with no shipping or postage. And then, what is American made. A present I gave my wife, said this one the box. "Proudly assembled in America from mostly American made parts." My wife's Mitsubishi was 90% made in Thailand, 8% made in Japan and 2 percent of the parts came from the US. My Farm tractor- Engine made in India, frame and cab made in Korea, tires from the USA., but probably made from latex from Indonesia and steel belting from China.

It can change over time! I have owned Harleys for decades. From Faltheads, Knuckle heads and Pan heads to Shovels , EVO's and Twin Cam 88's. A Shovel head was good for 20K and needed to have the top end rebuilt! A "block head" EVO and "twin cam 88" have been known to go over 100K ! It can be done, the company needs to be willing to do it!

 

[user 53891]

Yes, European homes are smaller and amazingly they seem to get by just fine!!! In my research , it was plainly stated that the average "fail" rate for an appliance built today was 15% regardless of the brand and where it was made. it is built into the production!

There is a difference between failure rate and longevity to fail rate. However, you see the effects of depending on other Countries to produce what we can readily do right here. Unions were a necessity back in the19th and early 20th century. But, then when they started to get greedy, and there is no other word for it, greedy, well prices went up and quality went down. Now, this can be rectified, but with everyone wanting everything for free, the time has passed! People want to be paid and not have to work....destruction of society.

 

[Siringo]

To bad they won’t make them in the USA!

Then be prepared to pay twice as much.

 

[Jedidiah]

Then be prepared to pay twice as much.

Twice as much or even more!

 

[user 53891]

Twice as much or even more!

When we depend on other Countries to do what we should, and are completely capable of doing, then you will suffer the consequences! THEY WILL AND ARE GOING TO CONTROL US! If you think the supply chain is broken now.....just wait for the real rodeo.

 

[Jedidiah]

When we depend on other Countries to do what we should, and are completely capable of doing, then you will suffer the consequences! THEY WILL AND ARE GOING TO CONTROL US!

When you/us are willing to pay three times as much, do with less, not have the "wants" ,be happy with a smaller home, one vehicle etc., etc. then we may see some change. Until then, we are our own worse enemies! China already owns a considerable portion of the US debt as do other countries!I MHO

 

[Redturd Reloader]

I think it starts with a C and ends in the gulag.

I bought my kit here about 6 months ago. Good company to work with.

 

[Redturd Reloader]

Joined this forum about a month ago. I have made a few comments, but no original posts yet. Don't think I know enough compared to most of you guys. I enjoy the forum and check it every day. However...when these threads stray from the topic and enter the realms of social and political commentary, you guys get tiresome real fast. To be clear - I am as conservative as any of you. But if I want politics, I will tune in to Dan Bongino, Sean H., or Fox News. When I read some of these posts, I can't help but think, do I sound this rabid when I go off on one of my rants? Let's stick to muzzleloaders.

 

[Lipps1948]

Most would agree if a GPR type was totally USA Made with all USA parts, and made right, the quality in craftsmanship and workmanship should far exceed the quality found in Pedersoli or Investarms. Pedersoli's list price for the Pedersoli Missouri River Hawken, similar to the GPR, is $1,695. Midway has 3 left in stock at $1,694.99, and they don't have a problem getting that price from someone who really wants one as they sell quite a few every year when they can get them. Just a month or so ago, they had about a dozen in stock. Budk has the Pedersoli Missouri River Hawken in stock for $1,678.99, and Muzzle-loaders.com has them in stock for $1,649. Last in-stock prices were $100 to $150 cheaper from other sources, but none are in stock. A good quality kit with a plain jane walnut or maple stock and all USA Made parts would more than likely be in the $1,200 - $1,400 ballpark, with a lot of work still ahead. One could base an estimated price for a U.S. manufacturer to make them here in the States off of what T/C was selling their Hawken for prior to discontinuing production in 2012, they were bumping or at $750 to $799 at that time. What $800 would buy in 2012, would cost you $1,018 today when adjusted for inflation.

 

[Lipps1948]

Investarm™ Gemmer Hawken Rifle - Plains Rifle - .50 Cal Flintlock - IA3410 shows in stock

 

[Jedidiah]

Investarm™ Gemmer Hawken Rifle - Plains Rifle - .50 Cal Flintlock - IA3410 shows in stock

I purchased my Gemmer GPR Flinter Kit from them a few months ago. Very good company to deal with. IMHO

 

[Snydly]

Who paid $1600 for a Lyman ??/!!!

Not me!!

 

[zimmerstutzen]

Yes, European homes are smaller and amazingly they seem to get by just fine!!! In my research , it was plainly stated that the average "fail" rate for an appliance built today was 15% regardless of the brand and where it was made. it is built into the production!

you know we say the European homes are smaller. But when I look at the calendar and travel pictures many of those homes appear to be larger than many American homes. The Idyllic alpine village and all the houses are 50 ft across and three or 4 stories high. Now, the McMansions of today in America seem ridiculously opulent and I do get the tiny house movement. Why spend 10K a year on mortgage interest, taxes and insurance when you can live comfortably for far far less.

 

[Jedidiah]

you know we say the European homes are smaller. But when I look at the calendar and travel pictures many of those homes appear to be larger than many American homes. The Idyllic alpine village and all the houses are 50 ft across and three or 4 stories high. Now, the McMansions of today in America seem ridiculously opulent and I do get the tiny house movement. Why spend 10K a year on mortgage interest, taxes and insurance when you can live comfortably for far far less.

Only 10K? Many people would love to pay 10K. Most people are paying 20-25K or more yearly for that. IMHO. Mortgages are easily 1000-1500 a month, and taxes can run anywhere from 3K-20k easily depending on State and area. Then there is Insurance!!

 

[Idahosportsman]

Thought this post was about Pedersoli, it sure wandered off.

I definitely have seen a post wondering into areas where offness !

 

[toot]

I remember it too.

thank GOD! another DINOSAOUR! and they thought that we were extinct!!! I guess that some of us survived the ASTROID hit???

 

[Pork Chop]

wow if you could only get the facts straight. Estelle was a passenger in her grandson's car. The temperature of the coffee as prepared at that McD's was superheated, above the boiling point and when poured into a cup and served at the window, still averaged 190 degrees. Far to hot to drink without serious burns. She was sitting in a parked car trying to open the lid when she spilled it. causing third degree burns to her lap and private parts. Had the coffee been served at a reasonably hot ready to drink temperature, the injuries would have been a first degree or very minor second degree burns. NOTE: Even home hot water heaters are set below 125 degrees to avoid scalding infants, pets and elderly. (There was a case in Allentown in the late 1960's, in which a woman fell in the shower, knocking the hot water on full. She could not maneuver to reach the water valve and the hot water killed her. ) The super hot temperature was established by McDonalds knowing it was too hot to begin drinking and knew it was dangerous., but served that hot anyway. Estelle needed skin grafts and almost died despite quick treatment. They knowingly served a dangerously hot item.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/16/13971482/mcdonalds-coffee-lawsuit-stella-liebeck

If you look up what temperature coffee brews at, it is 197.6 – 204.8 F. What temperature was the McDonald's coffee brewed at? I get coffee midstream from my coffee pot and drink it immediately. Yes, it can be hot, but I haven't been injured. The elderly woman admitted that the spill was her fault according to the article that you linked. Why in the world would you try to hold a coffee cup BETWEEN YOUR KNEES to open it? As soon as he popped the cap, the cup would collapse causing the spill. Put it on the console, on the dash or on the floor. We can debate until the cows come home, but I have a bit of an issue with the whole thing.

 

[Jedidiah]

If you look up what temperature coffee brews at, it is 197.6 – 204.8 F. What temperature was the McDonald's coffee brewed at? I get coffee midstream from my coffee pot and drink it immediately. Yes, it can be hot, but I haven't been injured. The elderly woman admitted that the spill was her fault according to the article that you linked. Why in the world would you try to hold a coffee cup BETWEEN YOUR KNEES to open it? As soon as he popped the cap, the cup would collapse causing the spill. Put it on the console, on the dash or on the floor. We can debate until the cows come home, but I have a bit of an issue with the whole thing.

I agree, this was a very slippery slope and once on it, we have slid down to where everyone sues for anything. They have nothing to lose by doing it.

 

[mushka]

By golly, I think redturd has something there.

 

[Erwan]

However, I have noticed that on the Davide Pedersoli website, they offer Lyman MLs as a "signature series", but at an increased price. There are a couple of other websites that sell Lyman MLs, but at the bottom of the page/ad it says, "by Pedersoli".

Yep, and can you tell me who makes the moulds: Lyman for Pedersoli or Pedersoli for Lyman?
- https://shop.davide-pedersoli.com/en/107-professional-bullet-moulds ...
I suppose that since a long time ago the Lyman rifles were made by Italian factories...