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Bent Sight

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What made you choose a flintlock muzzle loader over a percussion cap rifle?

What are the advantages and disadvantages?

What drove you to buy a flintlock? History?

I am in the market for a second black powder rifle and am on the fence about buying a flintlock or percussion cap rifle.
 
I did it for the historical angle. I don't think the flintlock has any advantages over a caplock that replaced it.

A flint is more of a challenge to shoot, but it's (to me) more fun. Mine spends most of the time hanging on the wall or beneath my mantle, and they look good there.

But a cap lock gun is cleaner looking. I'm glad I have both. I would add to this that a cap lock is never a mistake.
 
There are no advantages. That’s why they were replaced by something better.
I should say the only advantage is fun. Flinters requires playing with the gun. It requires more care to get it to function as well. Used well a flinters will do everything a cap gun will. You can make it rain proof, or as rain proof as a capper.
Most of us got in th ml because we like the challenge not to ge an advantage. It’s the fiddling with it that’s the fun.
Is shot my first one in 76, it was a Bess and I was hooked. Started saving for a flinter and got one three or four months after.
Just like breach loaders stopped being fun so cap guns stopped being fun.
 
Hi,
Percussion replaced flint because it was more reliable in poor weather with less care than a flintlock. It improved accuracy a little because gas escape was less compared with gas escaping from a flintlock touch hole. All of those attributes were established through extensive testing at the time. Something not appreciated by many folks, once the industrial process was developed, the percussion cap likely was much easier and cheaper to produce with higher quality control than knapping flints. In addition, good quality percussion locks likely were cheaper to produce than similar quality flintlocks. While sportsmen were attracted to the reliability factor, the real driver of change was the military. They eventually appreciated all of those factors particularly when considered under battlefield conditions and war production. However, within the context and conditions most of us modern muzzleloader shooters operate, there really is not a clear winner between the systems, although, theoretically, the percussion gun should be a little more accurate owing to less gas escape. With careful use, a flintlock is just as reliable as percussion and has some advantages such as it is easier to resolve misfires and hang fires because every component is accessible, whereas, with percussion the flash channel has to be accessed through the nipple, sometimes the nipple has to be removed, and sometimes a clean out screw has to be removed. Those are all things that may be difficult with cold gloved hands or in wet weather. With respect to reliability, I have a flintlock rifle that I have now successfully fired >540 times without a misfire or hangfire, even when the flints were worn down to nubs. The lock on this rifle is exceptionally good and none of my other flint guns perform quite as well. The performance of the rifle also is superior to any percussion gun that I own and shoot frequently. Anyway, the bottom line is that if you learn to shoot and care for a flintlock you can be equally confident with either system. From an historical perspective, flintlocks were used much longer than percussion muzzleloaders and most of the guns I build are from the flint era and use flintlocks. One final point, if you learn to shoot a flintlock well, particularly in focusing on the sights, following through the shot, and avoiding the distraction of the flash and movement of the frizzen and flintcock, you will become a better shooter with percussion and modern arms.

dave
 
Gene L said:
A flint is more of a challenge to shoot, but it's (to me) more fun.
Ditto! A well-tuned flint can shoot right up there with if not best the percussion arms in accuracy ... and it is the Shooter who makes the difference.

I get the biggest satisfaction out of making a well aimed shot using the flintlock than ANY other firearm! I also shoot matchlocks (and earlier arms) but the matchlock ignition is instantaneous, so not as challenging to shoot as the rock locks.

Besides ... they are a HOOT to shoot!

tenngun said:
There are no advantages.
Oh so wrong ... as now while this situation doesn’t apply to us (the 20th/21st century men), there is ample historical accounts of longhunters or mountainmen - call them what you will - preferring flintlock ignition over percussion as they could keep their gun firing without worrying about running out of caps or getting their caps soaked ... as long as they had powdah.

Powdah could be dried out and if needed, they could probably also source local flint or chert to keep it shootin’!

Just BE AWARE ... flintlocks are sooooooooo addictive that I sold off all my “cap” guns ...
 
Like was said before, a Good Flintlock is just as reliable and can handle all the elements as good as a caplock. The difference is you have to know how to do so with a flintlock

Flintlocks are an addiction. You either love them or hate them.

I personally LOVE them!!!
 
Have both. Oddly I have only 1 flinter and many many more cappers but would like more flints than cappers? I like flinters becuase my interest in muzzleoading is the 1760's into the 1860's. Dan'l boone thing (a distant relative did the cumberland gap trail with Boone).

No doubt Flinters are way more cool!
 
I bought my first flintlock because I simply wanted to try one. I'm kind of glad my first was a hand-built one with a quality lock (a 20 GA Fowling Piece) as it was reliable right from the start. I was immediately hooked. If you get a flinter, do not underestimate the value and pleasure of a good/better quality, well-tuned lock.

Over time, I bought more flinters and sold off the caplocks (except for one).

To me, they are just as reliable...in fact with no flash channel sometimes I think my reliability is better in normal weather.

I do think they take more skill to shoot well because, as mentioned earlier, you have to really focus on ignoring the flash in the pan and just keep looking at those sights and holding on target.

I'd make a bet that for those of us who have owned and shot both, most will say they prefer shooting their flinters and the cappers now mostly gather dust. That should tell you something about the pleasure and addictiveness of flinters.
 
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I blame Fess Parker and Walt Disney...back in 1955 the Davy Crockett series was a hit many younger folks just can't imagine. In the early 60's it was rebroadcast in color to almost as rave reviews. By then the story was going round that 'Old Betsy' was electrically fired since flintlocks never worked. Even as a teenager I thought "That can't be right"...and it wasn't. Finding a workable flintlock in Texas in 1962 was an interesting challenge. Fortunately, H&A made their Minuteman flintlock. They were not the best thing ever made but we learned together...since there wasn't a lot of organized flintlock knowledge around Houston back then! Since those crazy days I've learned to accept the challenge and work toward 100% reliable ignition in most any weather short of a down pour...takes some fancy stepping but is possible. Most fun is holding it upside down and having a well tuned flintlock go off with no hesitation, you get the same looks Fess Parker must have when 'Old Betsy' went boom! :wink:
 
I don't have a flint but a friend lets me shoot his GPR occasionally . The longer hang time requires the shooter to stay on target after breaking the trigger, has improved my shooting skill.
 
I figured I wanted to see what my ancestors were up against. Once I tried it I LIKED IT! Percussion was a blip on the longer time-line of flint firearms. I can see why it never caught on and they went quickly to metallic cartridges. ;-)

I haven't fired my cap rifles this century and since I got a flint smoothbore I haven't fired my cap shotgun. Just appeals to my inner mechanic. I guess I'd be a member of the StonePunk movement if one existed.
 
With all due respect I think the great deal of frontiersman sticking with flinters since the ground is made of rocks is largely modern myth. We know for sure flinters were still being used well after the WBTS, we know vessels like the Arabia were full of flints. However we see percussion taking over very wuick. Meek and Carson both make reference to it in their mountain man days. Jed smith had percussion with him when he died in 1831. That’s smack in the middle of the mt.man period. I like my flinters, but then I like my smoothies to.
I’m sure there were crusty old grey beards who had been shooting flinters for thirty or more years probably didn’t feel a need to change. For the most part them ol boys, they went after them nipple huggers.
I can’t think of a time in the woods I wouldn’t grab my FDC and feel comfortable with it unless the game was great bears of the north. Should the zombies attack I’m not going with an historic arm
 
Would have to do some digging to find them but have seen several original comments about old time Texans keeping their flint rifles but toting percussion pistols and revolvers. No one ever said specifically why they did it but just noted it as what was being done. Go figure!

As for Zombie attack, I'm puzzled by what good shooting someone already dead would do! :rotf:
 
Dave P mostly hits it on the head for me, and I too blame the Late Fess Parker, he was popular down under in the late 60's. There is something about the lines and balance of a long rifle.
 
I use a percussion gun when scores and money are on the line (and all ignition types are allowed by the rules). The faster lock and shorter barrel dwell time equates to better accuracy, particularly in standing position. Caps however can and do misfire some times, and you never REALLY know if they're going to go off, until they don't. On the other hand, if you pay attention to all the idiosynchracies of flinters, like making sure you have a sharp new flint, and a clear flash channel, you are virtually assured of reliable ignition, for at least the first shot. Cap guns are also more compact in the lock area.

I agree that flinters are more rewarding (and arguably fun) to shoot though. My rack is about equally split between the 2 types, but for fun shooting, I usually grab a flinter, (when I'm not shooting Muzzle loading artillery that is).

ML'ing artillery is arguably the most fun (and work) of all, but I freely admit I have yet to add a wheelie or other earlier ignition type to my stable. That will assuredly change some time I'm sure.
 
I THINK and could not prove that folks who bought a flintlock were slow to change, however those buying rifles after the invention of caps bought cap guns. Most of the mountain men and the support staff that worked for the fur companies took the rifle the company offered. By 1830 few flinters were still being made.
Cost is also a factor. Some one moving into Texas or any where to settle on the frontier, as opposed to living the life of a trapper/ hunter/company worker, might have a new gun low on the list of stuff to buy.
We have to keep in mind these folks were not ”˜gun nuts’. They bought a tool with no more care then an ax.
We see a quick change to cap guns a quick change to Breech loaders and a quick change to smokeless powder. It was just one human life time from flinters to smokeless.
Look at the nuts that camp out for a week to buy the latest cell phone. Those same people lived back then buying the latest thing on the Yankee Traders cart.
 
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