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billy mims

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I am new here so take it easy on me if i ask something stupid. I have a TC 12 gauge black powder shotgun that i use for turkeys. I wanted to try shooting patch and ball so i found some .678 dia. balls and gave them a try. Bad results. It threw them all over the target. No group at all. I see that Dixie has .715 balls. Should i give them a try? The .678 balls are really loose. I even tried double patching them but that didn't work. Do you think the larger balls will make a difference? I am new at this and thought i would ask before i try something that is not going to work. Thanks
 
You will want to use the cylinder choke in round ball shooting. Same as shooting rifled slugs thru a modern shotgun.
 
Never thought of that. My T/C is straight cylinder and was made before they offered the N.E. with tubes. The "standard" 12 bore is 0.729". Each choke step probably reduces that 0.005" or so. :hmm:

Don't fire it without a tube, but I would say your best results will be with the cylinder or improved cylinder openings. Not sure.
 
I use .690 rd balls in my cylinder bore double barrel .12 ga. I use an overpowder wad and fiber cushion wad that i glue together then lube, then a patched rd ball. It will put 4 shots, (2 from each barrel) in a group of just over 1" at 25 yds. Haven't had a chance to try it at 50 yds yet.
 
Thanks alot for information. I found Track of the Wolf site and will be ordering the .290 RB. While i have your attention I also want to start using TC on coyotes. Problem is here in Arkansas if it isn't deer season you cain't use anything over a .40 cal. So what size shot and which tube would you use.
 
Maybe I should stick with the cyl. on everything and make it traditional. Thats why I want to use the ML.
 
ouachita said:
I am new here so take it easy on me if i ask something stupid. I have a TC 12 gauge black powder shotgun that i use for turkeys. I wanted to try shooting patch and ball so i found some .678 dia. balls and gave them a try. Bad results. It threw them all over the target. No group at all. I see that Dixie has .715 balls. Should i give them a try? The .678 balls are really loose. I even tried double patching them but that didn't work. Do you think the larger balls will make a difference? I am new at this and thought i would ask before i try something that is not going to work. Thanks
Double patching is definately not the answer, but the .678 or .690 should work well with a single patch of sufficient thickness to seal the bore. Most 'skinners I shoot with will either use the .690 patched ball or the .715 bare ball. In any event do not try to fire a single ball from any choked barrel that is more than IC, straight cylinder would be best. :hatsoff:

Toomuch
..............
Shoot Flint
 
ouachita said:
Thanks alot for information. I found Track of the Wolf site and will be ordering the .290 RB. While i have your attention I also want to start using TC on coyotes. Problem is here in Arkansas if it isn't deer season you cain't use anything over a .40 cal. So what size shot and which tube would you use.

I'd go with full choke and #2 birdshot (not 2/0 buck) if I wasn't caring about lots of small holes in the pelt.
 
heres how i figure starting shot sizes on unkown weights of critters.. people are shot with buckshot 00 these weight about 1/8oz.. or .125 oz.. lets say a coyote weights 25 pounds in your area, i used to trap them and for the life of me still dont know what they weigh.. around here they are big, probably more than that, . you can weigh one or ask around there.. but for arguments sake lest say its 25 pounds.. people shot is .125 oz per 200 pound mad bad guy at 1250 feet per second.. that would be one eighth that for your coyote or .0156 ounce.. thats 64 pellets per ounce or about number two shot... then you go one shot size larger for loss of pellet density, and then one shot larger again for black powder velocity , which would be about BBB. i pesonally would go larger than that,, maybe ttt or f, and get close to the coyote.... only trial and error will tell for sure.. . what you want is to have bigg enough shot where your pattern will give you three hits consitenty to the body vitals at 40 yards.. these hits must have the power to break leg bones, pennetrate the skull, or drive thru to a lung, or the heart.. this will be pretty big stuff, and i admidt ive never done it.. ove used number two bismuth on geese and i feel it is very minimal, and not big enough at over 35 yards with black. the shot sizes in bismuth is supposed to represent the shot sizes in lead. so the makers say.. . the best thing to do is shoot one with a rifle and let him have it at 30- 35 yards with your best choice of shot and do an autopsy.. cold weathre will also slow down black powder more, so you will need to compensate for that for maximum efficiency..

i just redid the calculations going up from pheasant with 6 shot at three pounds, to coyotes wieighing 25 pounds and came up with 28 pellets per ounce and that is f shot... its density is more, and the larger of the other calculations, so that would be my starting recomondation.. all of these diferent shot sizes are available from ballistic products at 1888 273 5623. they will have some recomondations also but remember your velicity will be quite abit less than modern guns.. my opinion only... dave..
 
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