WHATS A B GUN???

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Zonie

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I recieved a PM asking me why I call my present project a "B GUN".
I started to answer his question, but I got to thinking (always dangerous) maybe someone else would like to know.
With that in mind, here is the story:

I don't know if you remember, but I screwed a brand new Colerain .54 cal swamped barrel by drilling the barrel staple holes all the way thru the wall about 5 1/2 inches from the muzzle. I posted the question "what should I do with it?"
Of course I got lots of "Give it to me"s but being a tightwad when it comes to $200 I decided I would build a gun with a cut off barrel.

Because the barrel was for a "Transitional" gun, I decided I would build a shortned version of one.
With the 1750 French & Indian war in mind I decided it should have a French lock, thimbles, and sideplate. Now a gun built during those years, in the British Colonies using French hardware could truly be called a *******.
In several posts, I refered to it as a ******* Gun and although I never heard a word against using the expression, I decided to shorten it to "B Gun".

Although some would say this gun never existed, one of the things about building a gun is it gives a person the choice of either building an exact replica or using the known information of a period to create what might have existed.
This gun is the latter.

The story of the gun (my version) is as follows:

A young man enlisted by the British to fight the French and made it up into Canada. The small party he was with was in an ambuscade by the Indians who were loyal to the French. He was the only one to escape although he lost all of his accoutrements.

Wishing to get to the Colonies, he set out towards his home. In his travels, he came across a French spy who had wandered from his camp. The Frenchman was armed with a Fusil Fin.
Following a brief scuffle, our hero ended up with the gun, powder and some ball.

The trip was arduous and took a lenghty amount of time. He soon found his supply of ball exhausted and resorted to using rocks. During a fall, the Fusils stock was cracked at the wrist and the butt was soon lost. In general the Fusil was barely servicable by the time he got home.

He had grown very fond of it however as without it, he would have died a lonely death, hundreds of miles from home.
Contacting the village gunsmith, they determined that the lock was still in good repair however the barrel and stock were ruined.

Having little money, the gunsmith offered him a damaged swamped .54 caliber barrel. The previous owner had fired it with the muzzle plugged with snow which resulted in the muzzle being split back about 5 inches.
The smith said shortening it wouldn't cause a problem, and indeed the gun would not only be servicable but would be especially handy for use in a Canoe for it would be light weight and due to its short length it could easily be reloaded in the Canoe. Being a .54 caliber, it would be capable of taking anything available, be it Indian of Beast.

The gunsmith was an old German and had a fond place in his heart for the heavy stocked, short barreled Jeager from his homeland.
Thus it was decided to build an Americanized Jeager style gun using all of the Fusil Fin parts which could be of service.

To save additional expenses, the gun was to be built by the Smiths apprentice. He could practice his limited carving skills and try his hand at building and installing a metal patchbox cover which was then becoming one of the new trends in the area.

The final product would therefore be a combination of German Jaeger, American trends and French hardware. Truly a ******* if ever there was one.
 
I bet that went on more so than we realize, if a lock was still good, why not use it? That was less work the gunsmith would have to do...
 
I believe a gun such as that would be more common than most think, as parts were frequently reused from salvaged guns. The key from a historical point of view is to not have the latest component from a time not compatable with the era of the birth of the gun.
 
Zonie-

This happened alot IMHO. I think that is why we have so few really good collector rifles out there. Although the 49ers turning rifle barrels into pry bars had alot to do with it too!

Saw a rifle out here that gave me an idea for my next build. Here's the little story...

A boy heads to the Rockies in the late 1820's with a Pennsylvania rifle gun made in one of the shops in Lancaster. It is not of the best quality being made by an apprentice. He spends many a year in the mountains, but winters over in St. Louis once. While there he has his rifle fixed up a bit. That stock is near busted in two in two places, the crown of the barrel is plumb worn out, and that there long barrel is hell to load from horseback.

So the gunsmith shortens the barrel, freshens up the rifling, and installs a new hooked breech. He restocks the rifle useing the old hardware except for the trigger. That he replaces with a double set trigger. He also makes it a keyed half stock, and pours a pewter nose cap in front ot the old entry pipe. No percussioned lock, but a new main spring is built for the old flintlock.

Maybe it is my nature. But when I own a car, I look for aftermarket stuff to make it better/faster. I do the same with my rifles. So the next build is goin to be a Halfstock Pennsylvania hotrod! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
I thought I would resurrect this old post just to let you folks know, the B gun is sloooooooooly moving towards completion.

Currently I'm working on the finish, and as usual, I'm taking my time.
CanoeGun5.jpg

No, the trigger isn't installed in the photo. :)
 
Now I wonder if Johnny Cash was still alive, if he could come up with a song about that gun like he did about the guy who built a Cadillac, from parts he kiped from work in his lunch box... LOL

Woody
 
There is a Jacob Wigle rifle (Westmoreland Co., PA, 1811-1844) in a museum here, found in a cave burial in 1929 and removed in 1946. I cleaned it up and restored it for a display in 1978. (I have photos of my copy on this forum, last in Modern Muzzleloader Hunting, using Double Balls). That started as a flintlock. Inletting will take a Chamber's Classic Ketland or Davis Contract Rifle flintlock (which I just ordered for my next one) exactly. Had been converted to caplock, seemed to be a Leman lock with a different hammer (Hawken?) Breech had been cut off 3/4 inch and barrel set back, so nails were used behind the key inlets (keys still in place), and muzzle cut off from about 44 inch original length to 35.5 inches. Not crowned. Think an Indian got it from a mountain man (initials M C in script on the silver thumb plate) and either bulged that long barrel with mud or snow or else just had a blacksmith cut it off for handiness. Front sight installed, also had a nose cap, missing. Butt plate had a second hole in the top of the comb, where it had a patchbox release when on an earlier rifle. Had been salvaged and used on this one, with a toe line release. Sideplate replaced with a piece of steel, or iron. Front lock bolt didn't line up to nose of lock, so a nail ran a bit diagonally and was peened to hold in the lock. So here is one that was retreaded and kept going a long time.
 
Okay, I bought the story until you posted a picture of the B-gun. Be real! Do you REALLY expect people to believe it was built by an APPRENTICE....on LIMITED funds???? :crackup: :crackup:

Much to pretty - BEAUTIFUL work. :applause:
 
It's very nice.
I remember an issue of the american rifleman a few months back that had a great article about the flintlocks of the American revolution and they said over and over again how american gunsmiths used what ever they could find to build and re-build weapons for the cause.
They showed examples of just what you described French parts,British parts, home made parts all on one weapon.
Of course not as well made as that one.
 
I was wonderin' when we would see the "B" again. It looks like it would be comfortable to shoot, if that makes sense. Very nice! :thumbsup:
 
TexasMLer: I am in the last throws of working the stock finish down.
When I finish, I'll take some pictures and post them.

As for how it shoots, I don't have the foggiest notion at the moment. Because I cut off some off of the muzzle, it should be a "fast handleing" gun (some would say it is a little muzzle light).
Being a .54 it will have the ability to put a good stomp on my shoulder if I really load it up "for bear". :: ::

It will be interesting shooting it for the first time. The front sight is silver soldered on, so I hope I did it right. I really don't like the idea of drifting the rear sight too much off of center to make up for a soldering error, but for now, I'll just have to wait and see. :boohoo:
 
Yes, please do post pictures when you are finished! It'll be neat to see.

When you say, "silver soldered on", do you mean that the sight is silver and it was soldered on, or do you mean that silver is the solder. Please pardon my ignorance of the subject. Is silver strong enough for regular use as a front sight? In other words, if you were to accidentally bang it against a tree would it bend easily?

Just wondering because I would like to replace the wide-blade front sight on my GPR with the slim silver blade/copper base sight from TOTW. I think it would give me a finer sight picture.

Thanks!

:thumbsup:
 
TexasMLer:
The front sight is a solid brass casting which was soldered to the barrel.
It shows up pretty good in this picture:
cangun6.jpg


Other pictures are in the Photo section and the Flintlock section.
cangun9.jpg

My ego is getting the best of you. ::
 
Ooooh, I see now.

I really like that white barrel/lock and brass parts combination. That is going to be one nice rifle. I don't know if I would allow myself to shoot something like that!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 
Zonie, that front sight looks an awful lot like a barrel lug. Could it be? Either way it's pretty cool. Bill
 
Zonie, that front sight looks an awful lot like a barrel lug. Could it be? Either way it's pretty cool. Bill

No, it started life as a TOTW Turtle, but by the time I got done with it it had lost its feet.
I also bought the "fusil front sight" but it was so short, I didn't think it would work with the rear sight.
As it is, because the sights are on a swamped barrel, the rear sight sits up a long way above the center of the bore and the turtle is much closer.
After shooting it, I will probably have to remove a lot of the rear sight to get it to zero at 50 yards, but we'll see. :)

Not shoot it? IMO, shooting is what it is made for.
If I was going to "not shoot" a gun because of the finish or decoration, it would be the Franklin with it's 32 inlays. I often shoot it too. :) :) :)
Franklin Link
 
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