Wheellock Carbines

[rickystl]

I recently leaned about terzaroulo, which are late 16th and early 17th guns that are between pistol and arquebus sized. A lot of them look like giant pistols, like the one I posted further up (post 6). It seems like the cavalry carbine was a bit of convergent evolution from the arquebus and these guns, and also helps explain why 16th century carbines are rare.

In English, it looks like these guns are often labeled as petronels, which had been confusing me.

I think some of these old terms are interchangeable depending on where you were standing at the moment. LOL

 

[TobJohn]

I think some of these old terms are interchangeable depending on where you were standing at the moment. LOL

There is also the additional issue that a lot of these terms weren’t even used during their time period. I saw that Michael mentioned that distinguishing between pistols and arquebuses didn’t happen until the former had existed for a couple decades

 

[XVIIc Wheelock]

To me, there is nothing more beautiful or graceful, than a 17th Century Germanic wheelock. Spent many of my working years in the 80's, 90's and early 2000 visiting European museums and a few very interesting collectors, gloating over wheelocks, handling and shooting currently made exact replicas of those magnificent locks and firearms. Reading whatever period firearms reference books I can find. I prefer those wheelocks that are unadorned working tools, lacking the gilt and glitter of the super wealthy back in those years. Spent a lot of time in Poland, the heart of insane wheelock art makers guild in the world, studying and making notes. There are maybe only 7 or 8 really top quality true wheelock craftsmen in the world and the vast majority are in Poland. They all seem to unselfishly study each others manufacturing of handcrafted locks. They all seem to find their niche and bounce ideas off each other. Rare in these times. Happy I found this site! Happy I found you good folks who appreciate these firearms. As the months roll by as I settle in, I will try to join in these conversations. Until then!

 

[Canute Rex]

Something to notice: cavalry carbines have wide spoon shaped trigger guards. It's added protection against snagging the trigger on equipment while jostling around on a horse. Arms for foot soldiers have notably narrower trigger guards. Not universal (is anything?), but a tell.

 

[PhDBrewer]

@XVIIc Wheelocks
Glad to have you here! Please share what you have learned. There are a few of us here building and/or admiring these early creations!
I plan on building a few wheellocks. However, I really like the ornate ones. True functional art at it's finest!

Thanks for joining in!

William

 

[TobJohn]

Something to notice: cavalry carbines have wide spoon shaped trigger guards. It's added protection against snagging the trigger on equipment while jostling around on a horse. Arms for foot soldiers have notably narrower trigger guards. Not universal (is anything?), but a tell.

That is a very good observation! The spoon shaped trigger guards are one of the things I had noticed, but never made the connection.

These carbines are examples that have wide trigger guards, for (allegedly) use with cuirassiers:

 

[PathfinderNC]

My fav-

 

[Rudyard]

To me, there is nothing more beautiful or graceful, than a 17th Century Germanic wheelock. Spent many of my working years in the 80's, 90's and early 2000 visiting European museums and a few very interesting collectors, gloating over wheelocks, handling and shooting currently made exact replicas of those magnificent locks and firearms. Reading whatever period firearms reference books I can find. I prefer those wheelocks that are unadorned working tools, lacking the gilt and glitter of the super wealthy back in those years. Spent a lot of time in Poland, the heart of insane wheelock art makers guild in the world, studying and making notes. There are maybe only 7 or 8 really top quality true wheelock craftsmen in the world and the vast majority are in Poland. They all seem to unselfishly study each others manufacturing of handcrafted locks. They all seem to find their niche and bounce ideas off each other. Rare in these times. Happy I found this site! Happy I found you good folks who appreciate these firearms. As the months roll by as I settle in, I will try to join in these conversations. Until then!

Dear Xviic. You already fit right in. There's an awful lot I don't know about such guns but I make them anyway , pretty hard to go to far wrong. I just base my new ones on old ones they all vary wonderfully the originals' that is . mine suit me and use the Term ',After' Felix Werder or who ever made the originals One was a Wheellock rifle based on Luis the 13ths' boys' carbine . Ime fascinated with stock shapes .
Regards Rudyard

 

[Lead Snowstorm]

I have always liked the paddle-butt carbines. One point of interest to me regarding some wheellock carbines, not extensively depicted thus far in the thread, is how early the saddle ring and bar evolved to retain cavalry carbines. That particular innovation lasted a good quarter-millennium, essentially to the end of horse cavalry and into the bolt-action era.

 

[Rudyard]

I have always liked the paddle-butt carbines. One point of interest to me regarding some wheellock carbines, not extensively depicted thus far in the thread, is how early the saddle ring and bar evolved to retain cavalry carbines. That particular innovation lasted a good quarter-millennium, essentially to the end of horse cavalry and into the bolt-action era.

I suppose gun ,horse ,& man through out had a need .Earliest I fitted was a Wm the third Dragoon & the Last fitted was in terms of dates a 1844 Yeomanry . & I don't have a horse , Oh forgot the' Bakers series' 1820/ 27 I put its rib & rings per pattern & a mate to the Company' Paget and an Ordnance 1757' home stocked' And a Royal Forresters had them as well . never made a paddle butt but did make early stuff like Petronels if no ribs on them
. Regards Rudyard