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BigDeutscher

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Half cock is wear flint is to be positioned
What is the proper distance that the cutting edge of the Flint should be from the Closed, ready Hammer?
Pictures please
Bess ...Long Rifle ...Pistol
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I have no photos but generally speaking as close to the frizzen as you can get without touching it.
 
CoyoteJoe said:
I have no photos but generally speaking as close to the frizzen as you can get without touching it.

Joe is right, whenever I knapp my flint away from my frizzin I get slower ignition, I place my flint right on the face of my frizzin, you may have to go to a bigger flint.
I use a 7/8th flint in all my chambers locks.
 
O.K.
Now Half Cock position comes into play.
My Kings Pattern Bess Hits Very high on the Hammer{Frizzen}
So is that right ?
Or should I bend the Cock down alittle .
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Should flint start hitting the Hammer{Frizzen} as high as possible?
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you want to hit the frizzin as high as possible,
I would go to a one inch flint in that smoothie, that is what i had to do with my L@R Queen anns lock.
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You'll want the flint to strike the frizzen about 2/3 to 3/4 of the way up. From the picture of your musket's lock at half-cock, you should be pretty close. You can do fine tuning by the bevel up - bevel down thing; also by moving the flint forward or back in the jaws. Moving the flint forward is fairly common anyway as the flint gets used and bits flake away.

I sure have enjoyed your posts about this Bess. Really looking forward to seeing the finished project and also to hearing how she shoots. Thanks for sharing this. :hatsoff:

sneezy
 
If your lock is sparking well and reliably into the pan, allowing the frizzen to close, and at the same time is not destroying the flint: then that is what you are after.
 
I think it depends on the lock. I have two Chambers Colonial Virginia locks and the flint is about 1/2" from the frizzen at half cock. If its any closer the frizzen won't open fully and the flints get "crushed" and don't last long not to mention the poor ignition. Set back about a 1/2" and it's a beautiful shower of sparks. On my small siler lock the flint is almost touching the frizzen at half cock. :hmm:
 
If I am going to get the flint to hit 3/4ths
To the top. I will have to change the angle of the Cock.
Wick gave me alittle advice on how to do it .
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Basset said:
I think it depends on the lock. I have two Chambers Colonial Virginia locks and the flint is about 1/2" from the frizzen at half cock. If its any closer the frizzen won't open fully and the flints get "crushed" and don't last long not to mention the poor ignition. Set back about a 1/2" and it's a beautiful shower of sparks. On my small siler lock the flint is almost touching the frizzen at half cock. :hmm:
Agree...there is no one size fits all answer as it depends on the lock...my Chambers Deluxe Silers have their flints sitting quite a ways back from the frizzen compared to other locks I have
 
You can turn a bad lock into a horrible lock pretty quickly. I would not tinker with the lock until you try some different non-destructive things. Bigger flint (Bess needs a pretty large flint), flint position, bevel thing, etc.

Where the flints works best is the correct position, not an exact measurement like others have said.
 
I just had the best shower of sparks, ten times with a different flint, positioned correctly ,It now throws the sparks directly into the pan
I will leave it be... no change for now.
Half cock position is deep and strong.
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YOu need to "Reverse Engineer" these locks when you want to tune them. What is important is Not where the full cock or half cock notch is, but where on the frizzen the edge of the flint strikes, and at what ANGLE it strikes. The best tuned locks strike the frizzen approx. 60-67% UP from the bottom of the frizzen, and will strike the frizzen at a 60 degree angle at POI. ( Edge to face)

From the picture your cock seems to want to strike the frizzen too high, and you will BE BASHING the edge at almost a 90 degree angle, Crushing the flint's edge. You don't get many strikes out of flints with a lock in this condition.

Yes, with your skills, I would look into changing the location of the half cock notch in that tumbler.

Be careful of the height of that cock screw-too. It looks like it will strike the top of the frizzen before a short flint will even contact the face of the frizzen. Shorten the height of that screw- its decorative, more than truly functional as it is.

The angle of impact is intended to take advantage of the natural fracture lines of flint, and other silicates, so that not only do you cut steel, but the edge is broken off with each strike just a little to give you a new,Sharp Edge for the next shot.

The WRONG angle causes the flint life to be shortened obscenely, and the need to constantly move the flint in the jaws to get what life it does have out of it. A royal PITA, IMHO. Along with the wrong angle, these locks are notorious for having way too much tension in the main spring at full cock. I have seen many that have 40 lbs. and more spring tension at full cock- bruising your thumb and finger tips just cocking the darn things. Heavy tension springs also contribute to shortened flint life.

And, don't ignore the need to have a frizzen that jumps open quickly when struck. The point on the frizzen spring where the cam on the bottom of the frizzen rubs must be polished smooth, and the cam shortened so that you don't have to Lower the frizzen spring to get the frizzen to open. A frizzen only does ONE job: It keeps the frizzen closed when the gun is carried muzzle DOWN.

It is Not suppose to hold the frizzen against the impact of the flint to aid in cutting sparks from the face. That seems to be one of the great misunderstandings in making the modern replica locks, particularly those made overseas.

If you can't modify the tumbler adequately to change the position of that cock at half-cock, then consider bending that cock down to get to the correct Angle of Impact. There are a variety of things that can be done with the mainspring on these locks, depending on the particular design, to reduce mainspring tension and give long life to these mainsprings. If you want to know what I think you can do, send me a PT with a picture of the backside of the lock, and I will describe what and where. :hatsoff:
 
I have handled and shot many original military flint locks
Every one had a very very heavy main spring
I think I will leave it be for now
I must have 3 or 4 hundred bess flints


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Good to see it worked ou,t generaly you can get a lot of options with the flint position,never bend your..."thing" unless you have to.
 
Basset said:
I think it depends on the lock. I have two Chambers Colonial Virginia locks and the flint is about 1/2" from the frizzen at half cock. If its any closer the frizzen won't open fully and the flints get "crushed" and don't last long not to mention the poor ignition.

When this happens to any of my new Chambers locks I send them off to L.C. Rice to have them timed and tuned.Especially if they are eating flints.
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They only eat flints if they're too close to the frizzen. When adjusted right I can get a lot of use from a flint. My last flint in the fowler got around 40-50 w/o a problem.
 
If I am not getting 80 or more strikes per flint, I am not happy.

There are tricks you can use in tuning any lock to achieve longer flint life, and insure good, reliable ignition.

Angled properly, the flint self-knapps on each strike, so that the shooter only has to watch the receding edge of the flint to know when to move it forward in the jaws to continue throwing the sparks into the pan. :hmm:
 
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