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JackP

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Hello, My first post since my introduction.
What a fantastic site you have. Thank for just letting me look and read.

I'm 61 yrs old and facing retirement and planning on building my life long dream, a flintlock longrifle of some sort. Have gotten a head ache looking at parts.

First off, I will probably not use a kit. Just making and buying what I need. I have made stocks for bolt action rifles from boards so I have some experience and am a machinist, been at it for 43 yrs.

The first thing I would need I suspect is the stock wood and barrel.

My question is which barrels to you men prefer and why. I'm looking at using a swamped 54 cal. most likley.

Thanks
Jack
 
Hello Jack, I will start by saying just about every barrel currently produced by the small one/two man shops will shoot better than 95% of us here.

I am not brand loyal to any one maker, mostly it's about who has what I want, in what caliber and profile when I want it.

A truly custom barrel could take a year before you get ahold of it. That may be something you are willing to wait for, but perhaps not for your first rifle.

I personally own/have owned barrels from Green Mountain, Colerain, Rice and Oregon. They are all more accurate than me.

If you are "cost sensitive" then the Green Mountain (in straight barrels - $150'ish) or the Colerain (in straight, $160'ish, swamped, $190'ish or a their single tapered profile, $175'ish) may be the ticket and "most times" can be bought out of existing stock from one of the various suppliers.

Oregon barrels are by order only. They make straight or tapered barrels but they are totally custom - you pick the size, length, caliber, twist, rifling depth, breech thread size/pitch but despite that you can usually get a barrel in about 90 days - they sell at a premium to the above two I mentioned, but are a fine barrel if you want/need all the choices these barrels offer.

An Oregon barrel goes for $200/straight, $225/tapered.

Rice barrels are the most expensive of all the (prolific) builders. They have a good following which tends to command a premium if the rifle is later sold. Depending on what exactly you are after you may have a wait time of 6-12 months for a barrel if it's not "in stock" somewhere. Certain profiles are not (cut) until he has 10 orders (justifies changing the equipment around).

Rice barrels range in price $200/straight, $265-305/swamped and $250/tapered.

Green Mountain uses a different barrel steel (1137) than most of the others (12L14), but unless that means anything to you that is a whole other discussion best avoided, at least in this thread.

In general Rice and Colerain use round bottomed rifling (supposed to clean and load easier - but Rice will also cut square rifling "regularly" in a few barrels when he does a run) and GM and Oregon use square (supposed to be more accurate) - so can toss a coin on that one.

Other barrels you may come across of which I have insufficient first hand knowledge to comment on include:

Long Hammock, Ed Rayl, Getz, FCI (Charlie Burton) and I'm sure I'm missing one or two contemporary makers.

Any of them will probably more than suit your needs. Once you finalize what profile/length of barrel you want that may help you make your decision.

I like all the ones I shoot and wouldn't try to steer you to one over the other - they all shoot "just fine".

(just noticed your location - you are about 1/2 hour from Rice barrels = Mocksville, NC - might be worth a call/drive down - he sometimes has barrels laying around)
 
Hi Jack and welcome,
I am semi-retired and am also pursuing my long love affair with building 15th-19th century firearms of all sorts. I understand your desire and goal. You mention that it is a life-long dream to build a longrifle. With that in mind, would you be willing to attend one of the longrifle workshops such as those taught at Western Kentucky University or Conner Praire? I say that because, although you have experience building modern rifles, a longrifle is totally different. I've seen many folks with a lot of modern gunstock and gunsmithing experience turn out logs when they tried to build a longrifle. They simply are not similar. So I challenge you, if this is a life-long dream, to attend one of the great workshops available to teach you how to build a real longrifle and any other flintlock firearm. I say this only to help you realize that dream.

dave
 
Thanks for all the info and advise.

I was really shocked to find out that rice barrels are at my back door. I will surly get in touch with them (save on shipping but hard on sales tax).

Thanks again
Jack
 
It would be great to go to one of the workshops and learn from the experienced, I'll give that some thoughts.
I have the James Turpin dvd's and I have learned a lot from them.

I have the Peter Alexander book on the way. I'm really enjoying just learning something new.

Thank you
Jack
 
For accuracy, A rifle is only as good as its barrel. Rice's are one of the best but a bit pricey. There is a reason for that. Well worth the extra cost for what you get.
If you want to build a very good rifle, don't skimp on the parts. Mainly the barrel and lock.
(Just my 2 cents :wink: )
 
Well, if you still have questions after Graham's response I'd be amazed.
Very thorough and concise explanation of most of the choices in barrels.
:thumbsup:
 
Galamb summed it very well, on the brass parts, stick with wax cast brass, from well know vendors such as knobmountain, chambers etc...get either L&R or chambers lock. Get a great piece of wood...#4 or better maple...TOTW sells full size plans of the different styles of rifles.
If your satisfied with your past bolt stock work....then these total rifles can be done also.....sticker shock is common tho.....I have just totaled the beginnings of my next build, barrel,wood, bbl and RR hole laid in( time savings!) ....600....now ALL the other parts needed will add 400.
But there's nothing like working on these with hand tools. And then the finish rifle! :grin:

Welcome the world of 1780!
 
Looks like the barrel will be a Rice .54 cal 44" long and swamped. Please help me decide on the barrel weight.

If it matters I'm 6'4' and weigh 220 lbs.

It will probably be Lancaster style, not sure who to copy yet.

Jack
 
That 54cal may only come in " C" weights.....?
Half the fun in building is the shopping I think.... :youcrazy:

I like 50cal "B" weight 44" swamped....just looks good to me...

A person once said if your building a rifle for a person, measure from their bottom lip to the floor....that's the rifles over all length target.......
 
I think you will find that the 54 44" Rice comes in C (5'ish pounds) and D (6'ish pounds) weights.

(Rice also makes a profile for Chambers that is right smack in the middle of their standard C and D weights - something to explore if Jason has nothing in stock, Barbie at Chambers will probably have one of the "in between" barrels that go with with their kit)

The balance is awesome on this profile which is a little thinner at the waist than a comparable Golden Age profile, so more of the mass is back near the breech.

Given that, I may tend to lean towards the D weight.

You won't notice the weight (I have a 36" straight barrel that goes 5.5 lbs and it feels light to me - I'm 6'1"/200) and it will help absorb the recoil better than a lighter barrel.

Since you are building a flint I assume you will go with the (standard) breech plug (flared) that Jason installs in the barrel - if you were going with a different breech that may sway you due to availability.

The muzzle end on the C weight is about 15/16" and the D is about 1" (.995"), so with either you can use an "off the shelf" nose cap, so no benefit one way or the other there.

Having said I would prefer the D, if Jason only had a C in stock that wouldn't stop me - still quite a bit of meat in that barrel even if 54 cal.

This is going to be a "long" rifle. Do you know your length of pull?

Mine is 14 1/2" so with a 42" barrel I end up with about a 61" rifle.

When I take it out I get lot's of comments from the CF boys like "Heeeeeey Paw, that sure is a loooooong rifle" :rotf:


Figure I'll build a 46" soon and really give them a treat :grin:
 
At 9:00 this morning I was standing in the Rice barrel shop talking to Jason. He is one great guy with lot of knowledge. Since im a machinist we had lots to talk about.

I was really impressed to see how thing are done.

I bought my barrel directly from him. It's a .54 cal X 44" Chambers swamped profile (which is the slightly heaver C weight) for Dickert Lancaster.



Now to the Proper lock for it and stock blank.
That should keep me busy for a long time If I can ever get started.

Does anyone sell plans for The Dickert Lancaster?

Jack
 

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