who out there can cut a jug choke?

[SR James]

Joe, do you still use the same wads you used before jug choking or do you need to change diamter and/or thickness?

 

[Greenmtnboy]

so accuracy was the same as before??? I use the canister type shot wraps with the seasoned paper and also mix the shot with extra ground cornmeal and it flys pretty tight..

can some of you post up what size shot you use and what the size of the pattern is at a certain distance with the jug choke?

Hay buddy I can't say enough good things about Joe's chokes, here is what I get with a 42 inch TVM American fowler and a Coyote Joe Full choke.
I get 83 percent at 40 yrds with 1 and 1/4 ounce #4 and 80 grns of FFG Goex
And my round ball accuracy is pritty good at 50 yrds as well.

 

[paulvallandigham]

What is that powder charge for the RBs? Your thumb is covering up the writing. And is that ballistol you are using in your wet lube? Do you let the patch dry before they are use, or squeeze them out, or just use them "sloppy"?

I am concerned about both fouling my powder, and rust in the barrel if a wet lube is allowed to dry out during a long day hunting.

Thanks. Nice shooting, with both the shot and RB loads.

 

[Jason Lewis]

those are great pictures, and great patterns too.

 

[Britsmoothy]

Hmmm I think that can be improved on some :haha:

Thats fantastic shooting there :applause:

Brits.

 

[CoyoteJoe]

Joe, do you still use the same wads you used before jug choking or do you need to change diamter and/or thickness?

Same wads. I most generally don't use a fiber filler wad, just two of the hard card over powder wads, shot and one over powder card split to half thickness over the shot, thus I only need buy and carry one type of wad. Now for trap shooting, or any time you may need to fire a dozen or more shots in one outing, then you will need a fiber wad to carry lube and keep the fouling soft or swab the bore after every few shots. Some people like the plastic shotcups but I've never found any benifit to them with choked bores and lead shot.

 

[Greenmtnboy]

What is that powder charge for the RBs? Your thumb is covering up the writing. And is that ballistol you are using in your wet lube? Do you let the patch dry before they are use, or squeeze them out, or just use them "sloppy"?

I am concerned about both fouling my powder, and rust in the barrel if a wet lube is allowed to dry out during a long day hunting.

Thanks. Nice shooting, with both the shot and RB loads.

Morning Paul,
I am shooting 60 grns of ffg goex and a .018 patch with NO! over powder wad.
I never intend to hunt big game with a smooth bore, not with all my rifled and way more accurate muzzleloaders.
I shoot a murphy oil ballistol water mix and shoot it sloppy wet in my smoothbore.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Thanks for the information. If you use it sloppy wet when hunting, doesn't that foul your powder charge?

I used to get away with that kind of wet lube at club shoots, when I was shooting within a minute and less of when the gun was loaded, but I broke a nice group one day when the Range officer called an emergency halt to shooting, had us Uncap our guns, and wait while some minor repair was made to a target frame. After maybe 10 minutes the line was re-opened, and my next shot hit low and out of the group. The shot after it went right back in the group.

The more experienced shooters next to me got the giggles, and finally broke down and told me what I had done " wrong". I went looking for a different lube the next time I was at Friendship. It was many more years before I found OP wads for both smoothbores, and rifles, to act as firewalls, and to protect the powder from wet lubes.

Because of the way you held the target up for the picture, I just was not sure I was reading " Ballistol", and I definitely could not see the "6" in "60" well, nor the "0" that followed it.

So, thanks for responding to my questions. Its still terrific shooting. I have been using 75 grains of FFg powder in my 20 ga. fowler, and thinking I needed to ADD more powder to get better groups. Now, I intend to back down and try your load of 60 grains of FFg and see how that works in my gun. I do plan to test out 60-85 grains of powder in my gun, in 5 grain increments. That 3/4 oz. lead ball simply does not need to be fired out of the barrel any faster, and I am more interested in accuracy, than in velocity. I have no plans, nor illusion about shooting game with this fowler out past 75 yards or so. :thumbsup:

 

[Greenmtnboy]

Hay Paul I only use a wet lube during compititions, wile hunting I use a two to one elk tallow to marmot oil mix on my patches and have never had a fouling problem.