I shoot a .58 TVM Leman flintlock which G R barrel recommends a .575 round ball which i shoot, the other two common .58 cal sizes are .570 and .562 which i have but never tried. Does anyone shoot these other two?
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I have a 24 ga flint smoothie, a Zouave and two 58 caliber rifles. They all get 570 balls, but with the Zouave, I use a thicker patch than in the others.
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I also have a .58 GM barrel ffg, and it's a great shooter.
I get excellent accuracy with .575 balls. However, .570s shoot just about as well. I use .575s because I cast them from a Lee mold and Lee does not make a .570 mold (I hate buying Hornady/Speer balls when I can cast my own for pennies).
I've had one limited range session with .562s and could not get accuracy equal to the larger balls. But I'm pretty sure the patching I was using was too thin. They may shoot just as well as the larger balls with the right patching. I'll get around to that one day.
I had a booger of a time starting the .575s with pillow tick patching when I first got the GM barrel, and I was getting cut patches from loading. But a little work on the muzzle crown and bore solved that problem.
Check out this thread, especially my reply to Trench's comment. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/258182/
I get excellent accuracy with .575 balls. However, .570s shoot just about as well. I use .575s because I cast them from a Lee mold and Lee does not make a .570 mold (I hate buying Hornady/Speer balls when I can cast my own for pennies).
I've had one limited range session with .562s and could not get accuracy equal to the larger balls. But I'm pretty sure the patching I was using was too thin. They may shoot just as well as the larger balls with the right patching. I'll get around to that one day.
I had a booger of a time starting the .575s with pillow tick patching when I first got the GM barrel, and I was getting cut patches from loading. But a little work on the muzzle crown and bore solved that problem.
Check out this thread, especially my reply to Trench's comment. http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/258182/
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i shoot a pecatonica yeager with hornady 570 balls also my 3 band enfield likes the 570 balls better than conicals, my loads for either gun run from 60 gr, to 100gr with 015 patches,
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I got kinda carried away with 58 caliber over the last few years, now owning a GRRW Hawken, two TC Big Boars, a TC Hawken with a custom barrel, another with a GM 32" drop-in barrel, and now an early Investarms Hawken in 58.
If there's a "universal" size between them, except for the GRRW, it's a .570 ball and ticking patches. The GRRW is the oddball, because it has a choked bore. A bare .575 ball rests on the crown, and a bare .570 might or might not drop in, depending on whether it had any irregularities. It requires .562 balls and they're a bit of a tight start with ticking.
I've ended up using .562's in all of them, adjusting patch thickness to match preferences of individual guns. Lots easier to keep patches sorted than 58 cal balls of varying diameters.
If there's a "universal" size between them, except for the GRRW, it's a .570 ball and ticking patches. The GRRW is the oddball, because it has a choked bore. A bare .575 ball rests on the crown, and a bare .570 might or might not drop in, depending on whether it had any irregularities. It requires .562 balls and they're a bit of a tight start with ticking.
I've ended up using .562's in all of them, adjusting patch thickness to match preferences of individual guns. Lots easier to keep patches sorted than 58 cal balls of varying diameters.
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I get excellent accuracy using .570's with a thick patch.
My .58 Yeager radius cut 30" Rice barrel shoots the .563 pure lead cast with a .022 Duct patch and lubed with Hoppes BP+. In paper match shooting in the west I see far more shooters using the .562 and .563 balls more than anything else. Shooting thin patches and .570 balls often cause patch failures on heavy loads.
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Tried all three in a Colerain barrel.
Settled on the .562 with a cotton drill patch. It's a tight thumb start, I can shoot all day with a spit patch and the accurracy equals anything I've been able to do with the other ball sizes.
Settled on the .562 with a cotton drill patch. It's a tight thumb start, I can shoot all day with a spit patch and the accurracy equals anything I've been able to do with the other ball sizes.
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I have shoot the .570 with a .18 patch and 85grns at 75yrds 3inch group free hand.Seems to work ok. :idunno:
One word to sum up the big boar is POWERHOUSE, with 95 grs of ffg and a 555 gr maxi,its a hoot to fire,and it shoots a pretty good group a 50yrds
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Actually I have two of them!One is an early one and other is later and was NIB when I picked it up for my son-in-law a year ago. He's yet to claim it, so until he does it's being shot for "research." :grin:
It's been interesting to compare the two for detailing and accuracy. The trigger is definitely better on the older one, but both are "within the realm" for single trigger guns. Two of my hunting pards have them, and those are comparable.
Every single one of them shoots really, really well. One of the guys really laments the single trigger when he's used a set on everything for the last 20 years, but acknowledges it shoots really well without.
I'm shooting the .562's through "my" two, while everyone else is shooting store-bought .570's along with a bunch of .562's that I gave them. Interesting enough they all shoot .562's and .570's equally well with pillow ticking and assorted lubes. One of the guys tried .575's and though they shot well, it was no better than .570's and .562's. Worse yet, it turned a great hunting gun into a range queen because he had to practically beat the snot out of a .575 to get it started with ticking. Lotta guys like that, but this guy (me either) isn't likely to carry a mallet on a hunt.
We've all dinked with 2f and 3f, black and Pyro and 777, and conicals as well as RBs. They just seem to like it all, which is saying something about 4 different guns, especially hunting guns rather than range guns. You could probably split hairs and find small improvements, but not enough to make an inch difference in group at 50 yards. Interesting enough, all of us have settled on 90 grain charges with RB, two with 2f and two with 3f.
BTW- The two best conicals we've tried are the Hornady GP and the LEE Improved minie with it's big flat nose. The LEE REAL is okay, but just not quite as good. The TC Maxi is probably the worst, with the Maxi Hunter somewhere in the middle of the pack. Dandy hunting accuracy at around 2" at 50 yards, but if a guy was looking to win benchrest matches he'd sell the gun. Charges have run up and down the scale, but I'll say when you get over 100 grains with conicals in that light rifle, you better screw your hat down a little tighter on your head. :rotf:
Sorry for the verbal landslide, but you asked about one of my favorite rifles!
Yes, heavy .58cal conicals are like launching a volkswagon.BrownBear said:
Just as an aside, for those shorter 28" barrels, a 3/8" solid brass ramrod adds a good 1-2lbs out under the barrel and does wonders for tamping down recoil with the heavier loads...plus, the extra weight makes the bead just hang on the target...less muzzle wander / better accuracy.
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Once the Big Boars started showing up in the neighborhood, there was quite a run on those brass rods- Thanks to you and your report of a source at October Country! :bow:
After my last post, it occurred to me that there are two other Big Boars in the neighborhood that I forgot to add to the total. So that's six of them within a mile of my house. Cogent to your point about the brass rods, I forgot about the two other Big Boars because neither owner shoots them much, and they don't have brass rods. Coincidence? I think not! :rotf:
After my last post, it occurred to me that there are two other Big Boars in the neighborhood that I forgot to add to the total. So that's six of them within a mile of my house. Cogent to your point about the brass rods, I forgot about the two other Big Boars because neither owner shoots them much, and they don't have brass rods. Coincidence? I think not! :rotf:
Yeah...way back in school, if you happened to miss the physics discussion about "every action has an equal and opposite reaction"...shooting big caliber conicals with heavy powder charges is like a 'Cliff's Notes' version of that discussion...brief and to the point.
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