why buy a renegade smoothie.

[roundball]

T/Cs are not collector items, but they are good field guns and provide a great service in attracting people to the traditionally styled side of MLing.

You can expect good interchangeablility in parts and T/C product support is second to none. The exception being for the Seneca/Cherokee line which is due to the factory having burned.

The big question here is whether this particular bore size is useful. I find it a bit small for a shotgun. I prefer a 20 or 12 gauge. Your mileage may vary.

CS

I also agree with CS...and an additional comment would be that we need to remember these are very thick, strong 1" barrels, and are not to necessarily be thought of the same way as a modern, very thin walled 28ga shotgun barrel with their light 3/4oz loads.

I load muzzleloader barrels up with larger shot charges than the equivalent modern shotgun...can easily use 1+1/8oz - 1+1/4oz shot charges in the 56cal SB.......I settled on 1+1/8oz #6's in the GM 15/16" x .54cal SB barrel (28ga) and it produces and outstanding even, dense pattern at 25yds (only yardage I've tested it).

As another SB example, I use 1+5/8oz #6's in the GM 1" x .62cal/.20ga SB...also produces an outstanding pattern.

The rule of thumb I go by is not to let the shot charge weight exceed the weight of the heaviest other projectiles for the caliber...RBs, Conicals, etc...I believe that approach gives due respect to any pressure considerations...and all range testing has been as normal as shooting normal loads in other muzzleloaders...I got the idea from the excellent Internet article about .62cal smoothbores at:
[url] http://members.aye.net/~bspen/SmoothboreLoads.html[/url]

 

[Swampman]

http://www.avsia.com/tvm/fowler.htm

These are light as a feather, and reasonably priced.

 

[musketman]

The topic is "why buy a renegade smoothie"

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[Claude Mathis]

To all: Please let us staff members handle any "troll" activity...

Correct.

The phrase "police yourselves", means "Police your self", not others.

We can't have vigilantes enforcing what they think is policy or driving members away because they think someone broke the rules.

Plus, members telling other members what to do may start an argument and get the "enforcer" banned too. Please let the staff do it's job.

 

[walruskid1]

thanks for all the input. sorry for any controversy caused by my inquiry. WK1

 

[taylorh]

Hello,
I've got one of these .56 smoothies, and its great! You can't get a more useful gun. It shoots great shot patterns (with the right loads), and it shoots .535 roundballs (in a .18 patch) excellently out to 50 yards. Its a no risk purchase. Check this website for previously written threads concerning this smoothie to get load information.
Good Luck,
Taylor in Texas
PS The bore actually measures .550. It will accept 28 guage wads perfectly (not loose). I don't know how anyone could be loading those .550 balls with anything other than paper patches. It would be VERY tight.

 

[roundball]

The .550 / 265grn ball is what TC recommends for it in their owner's manual, so that's what I used.

When I experimented with my .56cal SB at the range, I shot 70grns Goex 3F, Oxyoke wad, .015" patch, and Warren .550 balls...very accurate on the 50yd line where I tested it.

 

[whitetrash078]

I bought one of these things cheap on an auction site, it looked new and it was cheap! Just try to buy any other smoothie for less than 125.00. Mine shoots like a rifle to 50yds and with shot is good for rabbits and squirrel to maybe 30 yards. I would get it if it is cheap, as said by others it is versatile! I love mine. :grin:

 

[musketman]

thanks for all the input. sorry for any controversy caused by my inquiry. WK1

This is not your fault for asking a question, don't stop asking either...

 

[taylorh]

Hey Roundball,
Who did you get your .550 balls from? What patch did you use? How hard was it to load after the tenth shot?
Just curious,
Taylor in Texas

 

[roundball]

Hey Roundball,
Who did you get your .550 balls from? What patch did you use? How hard was it to load after the tenth shot?
Just curious,
Taylor in Texas

I used 'Warren' brand, from Warren Muzzleloading, in Ozone, Arkansas...however, they've been bought out and renamed to Ozone Muzzleloading, and the new owners don't sell direct retail any more, only to suppliers;

For one, I know that October Country carries them.

Note: Others have posted that regular .535's with a thick patch also works well...if so, they'd be easier to get and less expensive too.

I used .015" prelubed plain cotton patches which required a very firm palm smack on the short starter and I attirbuted the excellent accuracy to the tight fit...but to be honest, I didn't try any other combo, and never pursued the .56cal SB further after that range trip.

Since I was experimenting for the sake of accuracy, I wiped the bore clean and relubed it for every shot, so bore condition was never an issue

 

[taylorh]

Thanks,
Taylor in Texas :hatsoff:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Why buy any non-replica muzzleloader?

I've got an empty wallet full of reasons. :haha:

T/C gives you a very well made product that, sadly, is not historically accurate. But you can't eat "historically", so "deer" and "rabbit" accurate is often preferable.

Now, why spend more than $400 on a gun that's not a flinter? There's a good question. :rotf:

 

[walruskid1]

my t/c renegade smoothie is on the way, i'll let you know when i get it. can't wait to shoot it. thanks to all for the load info. i agree, i wish it was a flinter (as i don't own one). it is my first smooth bore.

 

[whitetrash078]

your going to love it. But i'll warn you, they are addictive like no other. Now I need a bess or a barn gun or a trade gun or.......

 

[SCATTERSHOT]

You will love that Renegade. The one I had was partial to 90ffG with a .535 RB and a bluejean patch. Loaded pretty tight, but the accuracy amazed me. I had a T/C peep sight on mine. great sighting system, and easily removed if you want to shoot shot. Congrats on your find.

 

[walruskid1]

how thick is a bluejean patch? ever try .550 balls.

 

[SCATTERSHOT]

As I recall, they were pretty thick, about .035. I didn't use the .550 balls because I have several .54s, had the .535s on hand.

 

[walruskid1]

already looking at GM 1" .58 cal barrels. i have so much .58 stuff around the house. can't wait to see just how accurate a smoothie can be at 50 yds.

 

[SCATTERSHOT]

I got 1 1/4" with mine, and didn't play around much. let us know how you do.