Why no "primitive" style Hunting shows?

[Robert Stone]

Here in southern Or. there are two hunting channels showing all kinds of hunts made with "modern" muzzleloaders and I've yet to see any programs with "primitive" sidelock hunts, I know the gun companies push there modern/ scoped weapons, our state requires primitive hunts only, so why isn't there more or any hunting shows using primitive arms being used?

 

[Enfield1]

I agree. I watch the Outdoor channel a lot and I, too have wondered the same thing. I have to sit through Jim Shockey travelling all over the planet harvesting game with a T.and C. Encore, but there are no shows with buckskin clad traditional muzzleloading hunters. Maybe we should film a pilot and mail it in. Get some sponsors on board and we are off and running. I have always dreamed of going out West and taking an Elk with my Lyman GPR.

 

[rabjr]

I pretty much refuse to watch a 20 minute commercial and maybe 10 minutes of hunting content. And the worst part of the 20 minutes of commercials is it's the same old tired **** over and over.

Whats that guys name axlerod, big bow hunter? Something like that, he had a I believe commercially built flintlock and I watched him take a Doe I believe in Penn, he just thought it was the coolest thing when he did it. This was probably 3ish years ago. Only other things I've seen is a Female flintlocking turkeys.

Other than that I'm not interested in what Billy Bob is selling. :youcrazy:

 

[J.M.]

Unfortunately its all about the money. Not enough of a market for traditional gear, so no one is going to produce a show like that. Same reason you dont see much small game hunting shows either. I got so sick of the marketing of hunting that I quit watching them all together.

 

[John Wasmuth]

Magnumitis, to many people believe the BS that "You cant kill anything with one of those old side locks, you NEED to have this,,,,, that,,,, and the other thing in order to kill anything, the old stuff just doesnt work". Shame really. Or is it Sham?

 

[tg]

I think it might be a little tough stalking to 40 yds of a deer with a camera crew in tow as well, I don't think the formats go well with traditional hunting methods, $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the main thing though not enough traditional vendors to float the boat.

 

Twenty years ago a few friends and yours truly where to do some shooting for a film crew on mulies on the family farm. We got the State of Colorado film crew down in the rocks on a slope knowing where the deer would come across. Everything worked perfect, deer coming within range - we are ready. Then this damn kid with the camera crew decided to snap his board an announce take "one". End of story, never again. !@#$%^ :cursing:

 

A good friend is an outfitter on the western slope of Colorado. American Sportsman contacted him about taking them by horseback into a nice peaceful lake a good days ride from his ranch house. Going to be hunting small game with precussion side by sides and fishing.

The friend told them they needed another location as there were no fish in the lake mentioned. The reply was "don't worry about that we have the fish we will catch". That show was never produced in Colorado. No funds for a possible mistake so the game birds and fish would be released once there. That's Sportsmenship ?????

 

[nw_hunter]

I think it might be a little tough stalking to 40 yds of a deer with a camera crew in tow as well, I don't think the formats go well with traditional hunting methods, $$$$$$$$$$$$ is the main thing though not enough traditional vendors to float the boat.

TG! We have a couple of local fellows, right here in southern Oregon that produce their own hunting video's.Brothers Joe Mitchell and Jasen Dunnavent have a company called Onfoot Films, and these two men are true sportsmen.They do a great job on a low budget, and hunt some of the roughest terrain in the US.Makes me tired watching them hunt the rugged hills of eastern Oregon.(Check out their first video...2 Weeks In Purgatory)Believe me it's worth the price of admission.

They take turns doing the camera work, and show hunting the way it should be shown, without all the commercial BS and hawking all the latest brand name gear, and hunting guides.They hunt with rifle, and bow. If these guys can stalk close enough for bow, they wouldn't have problem getting within ML range.

Joe told me, they had planned on doing a primitive bow hunt next year, and I asked if they had ever thought about a primitive muzzleloader hunt.He said it sounded very interesting.I'll keep working on him :grin:

 

[nw_hunter]

:cursing: Buck!......I refuse to watch another staged hunting or fishing trip.I guess it just reflects the times we live in.

Most of the outdoor publications today, are nothing more than a catalog with commentary, and the Video's are infomercials.

 

[rabjr]

:cursing: Buck!......I refuse to watch another staged hunting or fishing trip.I guess it just reflects the times we live in.

Most of the outdoor publications today, are nothing more than a catalog with commentary, and the Video's are infomercials.

You know damn well when they have to put somthing on TV each week, true Sportsmanship is something long forgotten.

 

[rabjr]

You need someone famous for this to work.

I would give anything to watch the House brothers take a week or two trek into the woods with guns and everything else made by their hands.

Of course theres a few other famous names that could help make this work too.

 

[XXX]

Like J.M. said, its all marketing hype. Bass fishing has already become like Nascar with the jumpsuits and logos everywhere. Mainstream hunting is following close behind. There are just never enough new gadgets that need to be sold.

Traditionalists do not get any attention from the people producing these shows for 2 reasons; Our numbers are slight compared to the mainstream, and many of us like to make our own stuff instead of buying it whenever possible, which is a horror to them.

 

[nchawkeye]

It would be nice, as most have said it's all about selling product...I made my own flintlock, make my own lube, cast my own balls and buy pillow ticking in bulk...That leaves flints, I bought them by the hundred back in the 80s and Goex black powder...

I'm afraid most hunters want all the technology they can buy before they go to the field...

 

[Bean]

All true, but then archery was a sleeper hobby a few years back.
I am a perfect example of the market. I have modern gun hunt and shot competition since I was a child. I got bored shooting animals, lost the rush. I didn't hunt for several years until a friend turned me onto Archery. I spent the next 8 years and Thousands of dollars hunting and competing in archery. I didn't touch a gun for years. Now I am bored with that and I stumbled across BP while researching some family history. I've spent 2k on kits and gear in a month.

Don't fool yourself at what the market is. People are always looking for ways to interest their time and challenge themselves. I have built wooden boats, airplanes and all sorts of odd hobbies. Lots of folks are the same but are just unaware. How many archery shows are out there now?

 

You need someone famous for this to work. I would give anything to watch the House brothers take a week or two trek into the woods with guns and everything else made by their hands. Of course theres a few other famous names that could help make this work too.

I would like to see the Houses Brother's or Danny Caywood and his friends do something on film. Both families primitive camp and hunt. Wouldn't that help with the business both are involved with?

 

[rabjr]

You need someone famous for this to work. I would give anything to watch the House brothers take a week or two trek into the woods with guns and everything else made by their hands. Of course theres a few other famous names that could help make this work too.

I would like to see the Houses Brother's or Danny Caywood and his friends do something on film. Both families primitive camp and hunt. Wouldn't that help with the business both are involved with?

I know bills have to be paid but for this to really be appreciated and possible grab new viewers, it has to be an aww inspiring teaching tool that grabs people and makes them want to watch. It cannot become a 20 minute informercil like evey other modern program out there, which is nothing more than a commercial with very little hunting content, just enough to prove watever they are selling works.

No, this needs to be a Trek back into time with *gasp* more content than commercials. I maybe wishful but I believe this would sell. A n hour program, famous people, don't need to make 120 yard shots with T/C's latest space age guns and bullet. Infact just having the Privilege of listening to their storys around the campfire would be good enough for me. They don't need to have to kill something every week.

In other words I want a real show not one thats basically shooting fish in a barrel every week.

 

[Black Hand]

No, this needs to be a Trek back into time with *gasp* more content than commercials.

We were involved in filming one a few years ago. It was sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and aired on OLN (out west). It featured myself and several other buddies on a trek in the MT woods in February. We did hunt squirrels as the regular hunting season was closed. From the people who saw it, it was well recieved and we hoped it wouldn't be the last. But all of this costs money, and without advertisers or sponsors, it is very difficult to find funding.

 

[rabjr]

No, this needs to be a Trek back into time with *gasp* more content than commercials.

We were involved in filming one a few years ago. It was sponsored by the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation and aired on OLN (out west). It featured myself and several other buddies on a trek in the MT woods in February. We did hunt squirrels as the regular hunting season was closed. From the people who saw it, it was well recieved and we hoped it wouldn't be the last. But all of this costs money, and without advertisers or sponsors, it is very difficult to find funding.

Where can this video be found or is it no longer available? Thats why I say dedicated famous people, they should be able to generate funding through donations and moneys from venders. I would think anyways.

 

[dlpowell]

PBS?