And.....on another thread I had suggested a data base on real world results between conicals and PRB, etc- on actual game. Once again I realize there are a lot of if's and I'm not arguing that the heavier conical will be moving at a higher velocity at longer distances BUT- where is the trade off? 70 yards? 100 yards? 150 yards? I'm not sure how far off a lot of game is actually killed. Years ago I and another hunter ran some tests- we cut out deer sized profiles out of cardboard- about the same color as a deer- and added wood stakes, and then paced off 150 yards and stuck them in the ground in brushy, dried grass and scrub. We walked back to the starting point, turned around, and had a real problem even seeing the cardboard cut outs at 150 yards- let alone trying to get them in open sights. So... if the reality is 70 yards to 100 yards- the truth may be that the PRB kills just as good as the conical. In Colorado- the open areas might create a somewhat different situation but I still think 100 yards is about maximum even in open country. I have read just about all of the mountain man diaries/journals and it seems they would typically crawl up to game and shoot at about 100 yards.