Your experience with Old Eynsford powder?

[trent/OH]

Is there a consensus developed yet about how much more potent Old Eynsford is than it's standard Goex counterpart? By that, I mean has anyone studied and verified that you can use 8%, or 14%, or whatever less OE in order to match Goex, or that a similar powder throw will be expected to give Y% more velocity?

 

[Claude Mathis]

You might check the "Shooting Accessories" forum where members discuss powder. There are several topics.
http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showtopic.php?tid/305369/

 

[Griz44Mag]

Is there a consensus developed yet about how much more potent Old Eynsford is than it's standard Goex counterpart? By that, I mean has anyone studied and verified that you can use 8%, or 14%, or whatever less OE in order to match Goex, or that a similar powder throw will be expected to give Y% more velocity?

I am on my third or fourth pound now. It is more consistent in granule size and I feel produces more consistent shots. I still use the same volumetric amount and have not seen any radical changes in POI from standard GOEX/

 

[Grimord]

I have not seen any difference in ignition or point of impact of my loads using the same granulation of Old Eynsford. I do however find that there seems to be less fouling. I understand that the reason for less fouling is because OE uses Alder wood for the charcoal portion of their powder as opposed to poplar wood used in Goex. I believe that Swiss brand powder also uses Alder wood and it is claimed that it burns cleaner too, but I have never used Swiss, so I can't say from experience.

 

[rodwha]

I find it odd that a few of you who have used both Olde E and standard Goex don’t see a different POI difference. Is this with a pistol?

One fellow on another forum tested various powders using a 30 grn charge and found that Grafs (rebranded Schuetzen) gave an average of 672 fps, which is rather similar to what I’ve seen for standard Goex. Olde E gave an average of 906 fps and Swiss gave an average of 920 fps. These were all 3F charges and from an 8” NMA.

I’d figure that the difference seen from a larger charge from a rifle would show an even further velocity difference where a POI difference would be greater and noticeable. The above shows almost a 50% increase in velocity which should make a big difference I’d think, and noticeable even from a pistol at distance, though maybe not as great. Of course I have no idea at what range you guys who don’t see a difference are shooting at.

 

[Grimord]

I have never chronographed my loads, and it may be so that Old Enysford gives faster velocities, but at the ranges I shoot, (75 yards or less) I have not noticed a significant difference in point of impact compared to my same loads using Goex. I have never used Graf's or Shutzen powders, so i cannot say anything about them. As I said, I did find that there was less fouling using OE, and that made for easier loading of followup shots. I normally swab the bore after every 3 shots. OE has noticeably less fouling than Goex.

 

[Herb]

You can check Claude's reference above for the answer to this.

 

[Claude Mathis]

You can check Claude's reference above for the answer to this.

There are quite a few topics covering this in the appropriate forum. :wink:

 

[Griz44Mag]

I find it odd that a few of you who have used both Olde E and standard Goex don’t see a different POI difference. Is this with a pistol?

I’d figure that the difference seen from a larger charge from a rifle would show an even further velocity difference where a POI difference would be greater and noticeable. The above shows almost a 50% increase in velocity which should make a big difference I’d think, and noticeable even from a pistol at distance, though maybe not as great. Of course I have no idea at what range you guys who don’t see a difference are shooting at.

Pistols are notorius for not burning all of the powder in a short barrel. A longer rifle barrel pretty much ensures all powder is used for propulsion. That might explain why you are seeing a difference in velocity in a short barrel. I have like caliber pistols (in those "others" with 3" to 12" barrels and have to use different powders in them to get a good burn and similar velocities. Black powder is probably the same, it has variations because of granules and composition of materials.

 

[Herb]

My pictures have disappeared. This must be a Photobucket problem. Anyone else have this problem, and I am paid up. Cannot call them up.

 

[Herb]

Pictures are back. Photobucket must have had a hiccup.

 

[Rifleman1776]

Pictures are back. Photobucket must have had a hiccup.

So, wats new at PB? :shocked2: :rotf:

I finally figured out how to post pics from my PB account again after months of not being able to. I no longer use their menue but just right click on the pic and copy the url image. Then to post here I delete the http thing in the box that comes up after hitting the picture icon then past the url. So far, so good. (we need a crossed fingers smilie here)

 

[rodwha]

Finally went to the range and tried 3F Olde E for the first time in my .50 cal muzzleloader. I noticed that all of my shots were printing much higher than the Pyrodex P and RS I was using to break it in with. Also struggled to load a PRB on the second or third loading when I tried 80 grns. With Pyrodex 3 shots was no problem, that the 4th or 5th was when I struggled. To be fair the grape seed oil soaked patches seemed a little drier and no doubt could have been the issue.

 

[Zonie]

No. The oil soaked patches weren't the problem or the answer.

Pyrodex creates very little fouling and the fouling it creates doesn't seem to build up very much with repeated shots.

Any black powder on the other hand lays down a layer of fouling and with just a few shots it can be so thick that loading the next shot can be difficult.
It's the nature of the beast.

 

[rodwha]

I’ve been using Olde E in my two revolvers for about 2 years shooting at least once a month for hours at a time, and using Gatofeo’s #1 lube in the grooves has allowed me to shoot all day only wiping down the cylinder once in a while mostly just because and not as necessarily needed. But then revolvers don’t require the projectiles to be pushed down the barrel. Guessing that’s what makes the difference. I guess I also thought Pyrodex was similar to BP.