Muzzleloader research project.50

muzzleloadingat18 · May 1, 2023

I'm posting this as a long term self project of mine. There Is all too much in fighting about this and that with no proof of anything. I ask that anyone who is willing to participate hear me out. Every animal you take with a muzzleloader should be documented here. Caliber distance shot distance ran projectile amount of powder and gun. This way we can form a bit of evidence to backup claims and help some newbies out. Please feel free to describe performance but no gore for the sake of keeping muzzleloading in a good light.

Grenadier1758 · May 2, 2023

@muzzleloadingat18, you might get a better response if this thread is moved to the Muzzleloading Hunting Forum.

chorizo · May 2, 2023

24" 1:48 twist CVA 54 cal 375 gr solid Deerslayer conical 100 grains of RS pyrodex 85 yards.

Broke left shoulder leg bone below joint, passed through heart, lungs and lodged between ribs under skin, far side. Spun on her heels, went 20 yards and died. Zero blood loss, had to search for entry wound.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

chorizo said:
24" 1:48 twist CVA 54 cal 375 gr solid Deerslayer conical 100 grains of RS pyrodex 85 yards.

Broke left shoulder leg bone below joint, passed through heart, lungs and lodged between ribs under skin, far side. Spun on her heels, went 20 yards and died. Zero blood loss, had to search for entry wound.View attachment 219232 View attachment 219233 View attachment 219236 View attachment 219240

I'm very surprised you didn't get an exit. I'm suspecting the lack of blood trail was because of no exit still quite impressive.

chorizo · May 2, 2023

muzzleloadingat18 said:
I'm very surprised you didn't get an exit. I'm suspecting the lack of blood trail was because of no exit still quite impressive.

Concur. That performance is why I am working on a Thumper Carbine. I want to get a heavier bullet and I want through and through penetration for a blood trail. That was a perfect shot...if it had been less than perfect and it didn't exit, I would have never have found her as there were lots of fresh elk tracks and thick brush the way she was headed. I calculated that 375 gr load had about 1150 ftlbs of energy at 85 yards.

See these threads
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...arbine-velocity-results-chronographed.159742/
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...acy-results-with-the-thumper-carbines.161070/
My performance parameter goals are: 100 yard zero with 3" or less groups, 125 yard 3" drop maximum, minimum of 1150 ftlbs (I would like 1250 ftlbs) of energy at 125 yards.

So far this 54 cal 450 gr load looks promising, as does the 485 gr load.

necchi · May 2, 2023

What "proof" are you lacking?
You proved it yourself when you were 10, :dunno:

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

necchi said:
What "proof" are you lacking?
You proved it yourself when you were 10,

I ment I would like to have a place for pepole to come and see actual evidence. Some pepole think you cant kill a deer unless you use a 300gn bullet with 150gns of powder.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

chorizo said:
Concur. That performance is why I am working on a Thumper Carbine. I want to get a heavier bullet and I want through and through penetration for a blood trail. That was a perfect shot...if it had been less than perfect and it didn't exit, I would have never have found her as there were lots of fresh elk tracks and thick brush the way she was headed.

See these threads
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...arbine-velocity-results-chronographed.159742/
https://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/...acy-results-with-the-thumper-carbines.161070/
My performance parameter goals are: 100 yard zero with 3" or less groups, 125 yard 3" drop maximum, minimum of 1150 ftlbs (I would like 1250 ftlbs) of energy at 125 yards.

So far this 54 cal 450 gr load looks promising, as does the 485 gr load.

Pushing it slower might give you better penetration. As counter intuitive as it is. If it expands slightly less it might pass through. If that fails I would cast slightly harder.

64Springer · May 2, 2023

In a day when the Left is looking to ban every gun under the sun, including lead projectiles, the last thing I would do is post calibers, gory details and pictures to prove muzzleloading "Wound Performance".

Muzzleloaders fly under the radar.

Let's keep it that way.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

64Springer said:
In a day when the Left is looking to ban every gun under the sun, including lead projectiles, the last thing I would do is post calibers, gory details and pictures to prove muzzleloading "Wound Performance".

Muzzleloaders fly under the radar.

Let's keep it that way.

So do we just let pepole be uneducated. Shall we hunt deer with .32 prb because "way back when my paw paw took deer at 100 yards with his 32" I hate to say it there is a good bit of this out there I'm just trying to organize it into some valid research.

64Springer · May 2, 2023

muzzleloadingat18 said:
So do we just let pepole be uneducated

Has nothing to with people remaining uneducated.

Has to do with blood and guts for the sake of blood and guts.

No one, especially the Anti-Gun gun grabbers that frequent every gun forum in America, needs pictures of proven "Wound Performance".

You don't need blood, guts and gore to discuss successful load data.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

64Springer said:
In a day when the Left is looking to ban every gun under the sun, including lead projectiles, the last thing I would do is post calibers, gory details and pictures to prove muzzleloading "Wound Performance".

Muzzleloaders fly under the radar.

Let's keep it that way.

And it's not to prove the wounding performance. Its showing loads that work. Bullets that work. So you dont have to go hmm I wonder if this will humanely take a deer. Bc somone else has tried it and can prove it.

64Springer · May 2, 2023

muzzleloadingat18 said:
I'm posting this as a long term self project of mine. There Is all too much in fighting about this and that with no proof of anything. I ask that anyone who is willing to participate hear me out. Every animal you take with a muzzleloader should be documented here. Caliber distance shot distance ran projectile amount of powder and gun preferably with pictures of wounding and performance. This way we can form a bit of evidence to backup claims.

"Evidence to back up claims" is Proof.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

This post is not about proving anything. It's not about proving how deadly xyz is. Its about helping pepole out. Yes I did ask about wounding AND performance " and being the key word. But that is not what the post is about.

64Springer · May 2, 2023

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

64Springer said:
Has nothing to with pepole remaining uneducated.

Has to do with blood and guts for the sake of blood and guts.

No one, especially the Anti-Gun gun grabbers that frequent every gun forum in America, needs pictures of proven "Wound Performance".

You don't need blood, guts and gore to discuss successful load data.

I hate doing this as much as anyone else but you are right. It is not strictly necessary for pictures of the blood and gore. I just wanted to make a page dedicated to culminating information. And I appreciate you pointing out my flaw and I apologize for seeming snapy.

64Springer · May 2, 2023

muzzleloadingat18 said:
I hate doing this as much as anyone else but you are right. It is not strictly necessary for pictures of the blood and gore. I just wanted to make a page dedicated to culminating information. And I appreciate you pointing out my flaw and I apologize for seeming snapy.

Takes a big man to see the error of his ways and admit it publicly.

Get your pen and paper ready.

Lots of load data to be found on this site.

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

Back to the topic of the forum. What dose everyone hunt with and what works for you?

muzzleloadingat18 · May 2, 2023

64Springer said:
Takes a big man to see the error of his ways and admit it publicly.

Get your pen and paper ready.

Lots of load data to be found on this site.

And I'm going to collect as much as possible

chorizo · May 2, 2023

Ignore the trolls cluttering up this thread. They complain about everything, rarely, if ever provide positive information and on top of it all, are usually full of crapolla when they do comment.

I bet he closes his eyes when he walks by the meat counter too.

This might even send him over the edge:

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