Whom Used a Frizzen Stall?

Hermit Tim said:

You certainly have alot going on there. Prayers and best wishes to you and yours.

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Thank you.

Gus

In 1972 when the Late season Pa. M/L season began , the first accident could have been prevented by using a frizzen stall , when the hunter pulled his rifle up into a tree stand and the hammer caught , and pulled the lock out of the half cock notch , the flint struck frizzen , and shot the hunter in the head. Frizzen stall would have prevented the mishap.

Tumbledown said:

... shared THIS PAINTING c 1751 showing a soldier's musket having a hammer stall.

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I used that painting to fashion my hammer stall. It's certainly a more esthetically pleasing design than any others I've seen.

I used my hammer stall all the time. I'm in the habit of placing the stall on my frizzing after every shot, I don't even think about it anymore, totally automatic.

Why not use one? I consider it a safety precaution to protect others that takes only one or two seconds.

Artificer said:

Thank you.

It's been a tough road recovering from six weeks of every weekday radiation treatment plus weekly chemo infusions since the first of the year. Even though I was found to have "no cancer detectable" a couple months ago, other things seem to keep coming up. I've had an abdominal hernia for about 4-5 years, but recently it has been joined by another two hernia's in my groin, one of which has particularly causing me pain when it swelled up so suddenly and I had no idea I have that third hernia. Anyway, my surgeon is going to take care of all three hernia's on Wednesday as an outpatient procedure. However, that will probably also cause me to disappear for two to three weeks during recovery of that surgery.

Still, any day I wake up to see the blades of the grass, rather than the roots, is a good day. GRIN

Gus

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Hey Gus,
It's good to not let those things go for very long. I had an abdominal hernia for years and suddenly ended up in emergency surgery to clear a block in my intestines. They'd twisted and nothing could get through. Surgery went long but well and recovery was slow but complete. I ended up with over 2 dozen staples below my belly button and was in the hospital for 5-days. Outpatient procedure should be much easier and glad to hear you're taking care of it before it gets dangerous. I wish you the best my friend and hope everything goes as planned. I'll pass a long a few prayers for you if that doesn't offend.
Dan

Harry Marinakis said:

I used that painting to fashion my hammer stall. It's certainly a more esthetically pleasing design than any others I've seen.

I used my hammer stall all the time. I'm in the habit of placing the stall on my frizzing after every shot, I don't even think about it anymore, totally automatic.

Why not use one? I consider it a safety precaution to protect others that takes only one or two seconds.

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The strap on your hammer stall is an elegant solution. Looks a lot better than the leather lace on mine.

Jay Templin said:

They weren’t used by British soldiers. They were recommended by Cuthbertson in 1768 but not adopted. Like his insane suggestion that soldiers should be issued straight-lasted shoes and required to switch them from foot to foot to even out the wear. Clearly the musings of someone who had minimal experience with the things he was making recommendations about.
Jay

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I have a pair of straight-lasted half-boots from Fugawee. Swapping feet each day is not practical at all. They were not comfortable that way and after wearing them on the same foot for a couple of days they could no longer be swapped because they took a set and uncomfortable pused against my big toe if I tried to swap it. So if you buy those half-boots from them, go ahead and get the normal left and right foot version because after a short period of "breaking them in" you won't be able to swap feet any longer anyhow.

Twisted_1in66 said:

Hey Gus,
It's good to not let those things go for very long. I had an abdominal hernia for years and suddenly ended up in emergency surgery to clear a block in my intestines. They'd twisted and nothing could get through. Surgery went long but well and recovery was slow but complete. I ended up with over 2 dozen staples below my belly button and was in the hospital for 5-days. Outpatient procedure should be much easier and glad to hear you're taking care of it before it gets dangerous. I wish you the best my friend and hope everything goes as planned. I'll pass a long a few prayers for you if that doesn't offend.
Dan

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Thank you.
Gus

Twisted_1in66 said:

The strap on your hammer stall is an elegant solution. Looks a lot better than the leather lace on mine.

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I just copied the hammer stall from the painting shown above.



Not sure where I got this image:

Gus,
Sorry to hear of all your troubles, but sounds like you are toughing it through.
I will keep you in my prayers. Get better!

Richard/Grumpa

I don't reeneact. I use the half cock on every lever gun I own, and every muzzleloader as well. I kinda recall a rule about not pointing a muzzle where a bullet don't go, that helps in case something happens by accident.

The fact that accidents happen, is a good reason to use one.

Eterry said:

I don't reeneact.

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They didn't reenact in the 1750s, either.

Half cock and a frizzen stall

Belt and suspenders

Tumbledown said:

They didn't reenact in the 1750s, either.

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Fair point but they had standing Militia, where a Stall would be the most beneficial.
I've always held the trigger back while bringing the hammer to full cock. This lessens the noise. This is only while hunting and stationary, muzzle in a safe direction, and not for the faint of heart.
I have yet to have an AD with any muzzleloader.

Need a frizzen stall right now? Just cut a fingertip from a work glove and add a piece of rawhide. Ain't pretty but it works.

As a Texas Revolution Reenactor we are required to use them.

I make my own, when needed, out of scrap leather. Easy to make.

Dave

Changed my vote to "yes" because I bought some very nice frizzen stalls from a fellow forum member who advertised in the classifieds.

I don't own one, I won't use one while hunting. If I was pulling a ML up to a treestand on a rope, I'd clear the pan and plug the touch hole, or remove the cap . I know the internals of my lock, it's going to take a heck of a lot of force to break the half cock notch. Likewise, it takes significant force to go from half to full cock. None of my clubs requires a stall.
Having said that, and having spent a year deployed in Iraq and having seen negligent discharge on several occasions while there, I could certainly see an argument for their use. I would not be shocked at all if it or a similar device were required in garrison, especially in crowded places like a mess hall. I also wouldn't balk if a range required it, because while I know my lock and have confidence, not everyone is that intimate with their firearms. I do think if a range is going to require it for an event, they should have loaners.

WonkyEye said:

..... I do think if a range is going to require it for an event, they should have loaners.

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I think that's a great idea. Range I frequent requires empty chamber flags (centerfire guns, natch) during cease fires and they loan (or sell) you one if you don't have one. (For closed-breech muzzle loaders I just stick the flag in the muzzle so the RSO can see at a glance my gun is "safe")