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99% of them would sell the old pistol, pick up a Ruger single six in .22 LR and continue dropping rabbits and squirrels.
.36 vs. .44 "Stopping Power"
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Just my opinion but the .36 would & did kill people. Hogs, bears, Deer & on up ain't people. That's why i got my .44 because i want to hunt deer close, say 40 yds. & closer. I know the .44 will kill them
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More homework for Dark Angel : “Sixguns” by Keith, and “No Second Place Wimmer” by Bill Jordan. Then move on to the scribing of Skeeter Skelton. Then we’ll talk about Jeff Cooper.
That's a good reading list for anyone.
If you can not place your shot nothing else matters.
Elmer passed in 1984, so odds are he is more familiar to us old coots. That said his books contain a lot of good information. Much of it learned from first hand experience. Some are available on Amazon.
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Ditto for Skeeter, Ross Seyfried, and others.
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I’ve compared my .45 Old Army against a modern .36 revolver. The 7.5” barrel ROA can put all 6 in a paper plate at 100 yards. The 2” .36 (.38Spl) is good to 7 yards, tops. Too short of a sight picture.
.45 will hole a 5 gallon bucket of roofing tar, the long way. .36 will hole the same bucket, the short way. Both at 15 feet.
Both will go through a feral hog rib cage.
Both will penetrate a feral hog skull.
Step the .36 up to a 4” barrel, and it is accurate to 25 yards. I have to qualify with it yearly. One of the only agencies still issuing revolvers.
Both are lethal with goid shot placement. I actually want a pair of .36 c&b for SASS shooting.
.45 will hole a 5 gallon bucket of roofing tar, the long way. .36 will hole the same bucket, the short way. Both at 15 feet.
Both will go through a feral hog rib cage.
Both will penetrate a feral hog skull.
Step the .36 up to a 4” barrel, and it is accurate to 25 yards. I have to qualify with it yearly. One of the only agencies still issuing revolvers.
Both are lethal with goid shot placement. I actually want a pair of .36 c&b for SASS shooting.
You don't know who Elmer Keith is? Blasphemous!
Got a shoulder holster for that Vulcan?
I'm still of a mind that a handgun is only useful to fight your way to a rifle. Or a short barrel shotgun loaded with Neal Protocol, or alternating slug/buckshot.
FWIW, I hope none of us get shot, or have to shoot anyone.
FWIW, I hope none of us get shot, or have to shoot anyone.
The Confederates appreciated a round ball from a Navy.
Said it struck hard.
Elmer Keith interviewed CS vets and they spoke highly of round ball in them. Said they was better than conicals. From Keith's Sixguns.
Said it struck hard.
Elmer Keith interviewed CS vets and they spoke highly of round ball in them. Said they was better than conicals. From Keith's Sixguns.
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Strangely though, in this 21st century we do seek out doctors practicing late 20th century medicine.
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This is closely paralleled by "A gun is like a parachute, if you really need it and don't have it, you will never need it again".
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Wild Bill would give you no argument there.
It's still all about shot placement and bullet performance.
Mike in FL
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Mike in FL
50 Cal.
"No such thing as stopping power" has become a made up truth by gun writers. Consider the truth that when we defend ourselves with a firearm, our intent is to stop the assailant, not to kill him. Or rather that should be our intent. Some calibers hit harder than others. A hard hit produces more shock than a weak hit. Shock has a huge impact on stopping. Death is incidental to stopping. Let's say a man gets shot with a hard cast projectile that doesn't expand and misses vital organs. (Think 90 grain FMJ .380.) He experiences less damage and shock than a man hit with a heavier and faster bullet that also misses vitals. (Think 300 grain lead flat point in 45Colt that also misses vital parts.) That scenario relates directly to black powder revolvers with extreme caliber differences. The 45 victim is done or stopped while the 380 guy is not. That truth holds true with those hit with rounds of different velocity/energy/size that DO strike vitals. And with game. A deer stops much quicker with the impact of a .54 caliber than with a .32. Stopping power is a very real aspect of self defense, war, and hunting.
Stopping power is all about shot placement. A flesh wound with a .44 may not stop a 250 pound meth freak. A bullet through his knee joint will certainly hinder his mobility.
