But have you done it? Lots of Urban Legend stuff you can read. In a 47 Walker that is going to be well over 1000 FPS. Ruger may handle it but what is the point if its a wild load or you lead up the bore?
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But have you done it? Lots of Urban Legend stuff you can read. In a 47 Walker that is going to be well over 1000 FPS. Ruger may handle it but what is the point if its a wild load or you lead up the bore?
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
I loaded my ubirty 1858 with 53gn of pyrodex p and a round ball. I could barely get the ball all the way down. Put bees wax and olive oil lube over top and shot 3 cylinders like that. Didn't hurt anything dare I say it shot good. Zero leading and no damage to the gun. I'm going to bring my beater gun "pieta 1858 sheriff" and do the same test with 2f 777 tomorrow. If I don't die I'll let you know.
rodwha
58 Cal.
According to the P-Max Swiss powder ballistics calculator an 8” Remington/Colt should be able to achieve over 1000 fps with my 195 grn WFN bullets that’s merely 0.460” long and a 37.5 grn charge of 3F sporting grade powder. Mine has a 5.5” barrel and it shows 938 fps and a tad over another 100 fps with an 8” barrel, which seems rather high to me, but is what it calculates.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-195C
https://www.p-max.uk/cgi-bin/black_powder.cgi
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
You literally can't blow them up. Now you can put more wear on the guns but you won't blow one up. I have enough cap and balls that I actually tested this. 50gn of pyrodex with a 200gn hammered down on top of it. No lube to increase pressure. Didn't blow up. Shot it with home made meal powder and it didn't blow up. I have filled the cylinder to the top smoothed it off and seated a ball. Nothing has ever blown up. And the only thing to break was the retainer for the loading lever. Which is very common.A Walker load in a 58 Remington and using Pyrodex?
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
Ok. Did a max load in my 58 ubirty 8in and got 1147fps. On the next shot with my .50 single shot pistol I center punched my Chrono so no more data.
smoothshooter
50 Cal.
Ditch the Bore Butter ar any other lube
Ditch the Bore Butter or any other lube over the chamber mouths. Use lubed felt wads over the powder only. Grease does not prevent chain fires.
Don’t lose any sleep over powder charges. It is impossible to overload a percussion revolver.
What was the range, how many shots, what size group?
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
Best it has done is 2in at 20 yards from a rest. I know it's not pinpoint acuret but it's what I can do with the pistol. I can do better with my ruger 45 my hauze 44 mag and my hauze 357. So I believe that the gun is the limiting factor. I have gotten better loads for it. But it's by no means inaccurate. Within 50 yards I promise you a human is not safe. I say human because I would by no means recommend it for a hunting load it's just not what I would feel comfortable with. Now 25 30 yards yes. In civil war context plenty plenty acuret and more than enough power.
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
Standard 6 shot group not a speck of leading in the bore after 3 cylinders.
rodwha
58 Cal.
I sent some very heavy but short bullets I designed with very long driving bands for my Ruger as a Ruger-only type projectile (it weighs 285 grns and is barely longer than Lee’s 255 grn bullet). A guy loaded his Walker up with a max charge of 52 grns of Pyrodex P and it blew his chamber wall completely gone. Thankfully he wasn’t injured and was able to find another cylinder.
https://accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=45-285C
muzzleloadingat18
40 Cal
then I'll change my statement a tiny bit. You can't blow up a cap and ball with a 200gn or lighter projectile. I wasn't accounting for custom molds. Im actually designing an accurate mold right now. Excited to get it. Tho that is kinda scary because I've shot 250gn flat nose in my pieta on top of 45 gn. And I can say that based on the recoil you can tell it's pushing it a bit.
I loaded 50 grains in my Walker many times when I was younger and dumber and never had a problem
You can EASILY go over mag loads with appropriate Rugers, the ones that blow up are WAY OVER mag loads. I shoot 220gr/230gr (jacketed no less!) at 1000fps + with my '60 Armys and 250gr's at 1000fps in my Dragoons as norm !! No problem . . .
Definitely wouldn't trust a rechambered bp cyl.
Mike
If you look back at basically all of my posts, I don't shoot bp. All my "favorite" revolvers are bp but in unmentionable form.
Mike
rodwha
58 Cal.
But not under a very heavy for it’s length bullet designed to create long driving bands. It only took one attempt to shoot one for it destroy his cylinder. The long driving bands create additional pressure, something a Ruger can handle all day long, and created so as to help bring up the velocity of what I thought would be a small powder charge. I was wrong, I can get 35 grns under it easily. 285 grns is a lot of lead.
rodwha
58 Cal.
Well, folks compressing 50+gr in a Remington chamber? How about 80+ in a Walker? Not that I really care . . . I was just comparing the "suggestions" I get sometimes when I offer info about 45acp+'s from my '60 Army's - "I'd just get a _ _ _ _ _ if I wanted to do that . . .
Nothing ill against you.
Mike
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