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As per the U.S. A. constitution the CSA was an illegal secessiomist groupe of states declaring war on the U.S. A.
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So you think the US was supposed to be held together at gun point? No. Take a civics class, read a history book that maybe doesn't follow the popular version of history. Do you have an actual point to make here in responding to a 2yr old post?
 
My wife’s family history ( or rumors) talk about how her great great grandfather Col. Ruffin fired the shot at fort Sumpter that started the war. Rumor has it that he was drunk and fired on a US naval ship.
I saw posted where Nathan Bedford Forest took in a large shipment of Colt revolvers. He was actually the founder of the KKK
Great connection. A drunk and a rasecist.
Actually they only cared about money
So you think the US was supposed to be held together at gun point? No. Take a civics class, read a history book that maybe doesn't follow the popular version of history. Do you have an actual point to make here in responding to a 2yr old post?
 
Go and learn what the phrase "sovereign State" means. You hear it every four years at every national convention, "The sovereign State of Oklahoma proudly casts it's eleven votes for your friend and mine, John Smith".
If you think you come from a sovereign state try telling thar to a cop when you get stopped for something and be sure to let us know how that works out for you SOVERGEIN ha.
 
It appears that you have made the point for me.
The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.


Great connection. A drunk and a rasecist.
Actually they only cared about money
NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?
 
The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.



NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?
When I was in the US Army I had many discussions with southerns with similiar views although most finally realized the war was lost a long time ago.
I suppose the troops at fort Sumpter should have said Hey! don!t do that
 
The South never declared war on the North. As I already said, the South seceded and Fort Sumter was on South Carolina soil and deemed a threat to the bay. They were warned to leave the fort or be taken forcefully. Lincoln called up the state militias to put down a "rebellion" and then proceeded to invade the south.



NBF was one of the greatest military leaders our country has ever produced. He formed the Klan because the republican party at the time was forcing freed blacks to vote for them. What it became later was not its original intent.

I ask again, what is your purpose here? You wanna rehash the whole thing all over again? You do realize that people have been arguing about this for 150yrs, right?
Who!s arguing ? The war is long over , almost everyone knows it , but some want to put blame on any one else.
A physical act is a declaration, if you don!t think being fired at is a declaration or act of war you have certainly never been fired at and would not know the difference regardless of the history books you may have read I realize you have a different perspective and that is what you were taught. I have listened to this for years and years many times and will not be convinced of your point of view . History it seems will not be changed.
 
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The US Constitution makes no reference to succession and in that sense it was technically not “against the law”, but as Lincoln said, no nation presides over its own dissolution. It’s interesting that in the Confederate Constitution succession of any Confederate state was specifically prohibited. It’s always been universally recognized that any sovereign entity can legitimately resist being forceably disassembled. The southern oligarchs were hot for war and so the war came. It was all very unnecessary. As the Frenchman said, in another context, “it was worse than a crime, it was a mistake.”
 
Who!s arguing ? The war is long over , almost everyone knows it , but some want to put blame on any one else.
A physical act is a declaration, if you don!t think being fired at is a declaration or act of war you have certainly never been fired at and would not know the difference regardless of the history books you may have read I realize you have a different perspective and that is what you were taught. I have listened to this for years and years many times and will not be convinced of your point of view . History it seems will not be changed.
No shifting blame. Just the realization that the winning side gets to control the narrative and write the history books and those books don't always tell the truth. All you're doing is clinging to the popular version, which most people do. Folks like yourself seem incapable of having any perspective but your own.

The undeniable facts are that the CSA obviously felt they had the right to secede. That after said secession, Fort Sumter was on South Carolina/CSA sovereign soil and occupied by what was then a foreign military. Unacceptable in any context. They were warned multiple times to vacate and they refused. So they did what they thought was necessary. IMHO, these are important distinctions when folks such as yourself throw around nonsense about who declared war on whom.

The war began when Lincoln's army invaded the South.

Of course, none of this would really be a big deal if people were not still repeating the same kind of vitriol to continue to demonize the South.
 
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